Only God Forgives

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My Review:
It is both to Nicolas Winding Refn’s advantage and disadvantage that Drive became the unexpected hit that it did. In under two hours, Refn created a huge base of instantly and infinitely praising fans. For this reason, his newest feature, Only God Forgives will probably make its money back. Most fans seem to be under the impression that while the film has received a good number of horrendous (and perhaps unfair) reviews, they aren’t to be trusted and want to see his so called downfall for themselves. It also puts an almost unfair pressure on Refn to perform not only at the same level, but in the same style and tone. So when a clear evolution of Refn’s form pushes the ultraviolent and ultrasilent bursts from Drive to new levels, fans can’t seem to comprehend, nor enjoy the change. This isn’t to say that Only God Forgives is a good film (because it isn’t), nor does it mean that Refn’s advancing aesthetic is what’s wrong with the film (it rides in alternating engaging and alienating waves), but simply that (from what I’ve seen) most of the reviews and fan criticism hasn’t been able to correctly identify the issues present, and have been rather unfair to the film.

What first should be noted isn’t what most people seem to gravitate to. It’s not the silence of Gosling’s character, nor is it the brutal and shock worthy violence that strangely varies in intensity from Korean sado-masochist tendencies to American sexualized violence. The first thing we really notice is the lighting. Very infrequently does the color design miss. The demonizing red controls the screen for the majority, with some golden yellows plashing across faces usually, and a hint of blue peeking through the frame (think of the night club in 25th Hour but for the majority of the film). The technical achievement of the color shouldn’t go unnoticed in light of the rest of the film’s unevenness. This constant stylized lighting make any normal lighting make you feel naked and uncertain, but unfortunately, this is about the best the film has to offer to the rest of cinema. It’s obvious from the start that Refn was incredibly deliberate in the film’s craft, and thus it may be why he has lost so much credibility since the film’s release. Refn stands behind his film and therefore loses any reputation he instantly built with Drive. He stand behind every porn-like shot of a desiring mother and son, every (unaware to Refn though) weak silence, and every shot of Vithaya Pansringarm, menacing or not.

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Refn’s plot is brief. A drug dealer (though seemingly of weak prowess) who’s partner and brother is killed. This triggers the arrival of his mother and a series of downward spiraling revenge fulfillment on both sides, the other side being Pansringarm’s cop. Nobody is really heroic, and everyone is brutal. The emphasis (as it was in Drive)is obviously on the storytelling, rather than the story. It’s told in exposition and close-ups (or as I say, cinematic exposition) with many periods of silence and tension in between. The implication from most reviews is that Gosling has sort of resumed playing the character from Drive, but this is at least a mild farce in the face of his more devious actions, and is no longer the hero he was in the previous films (as the music so told). The problem with Gosling’s character isn’t his silence, but rather the uneven and unsure degree of characterization. Sean Penn performed with little dialogue and also little range in Terrence Malick’s The Tree of Life, but his performance came off poignant and devastating. That performance was built up, however, on the look of Penn’s face. The clear signs of weathering, a touch of success, and his ice cold detachment. Gosling’s character in Drive was equally silent, but his character works there in leading the viewer to assume a certain personality based on his film history with bare minimum characterization, basically enough for the plot to work. The result was a classic, but still affecting subversion as his behavior became increasingly chaotic. Here, Gosling’s character is given detail, though none of it through his acting. We’re told he’s killed his father, seen his sexual desires, and observed his mother/son dynamic, but all of Refn’s reaction shots are blank stars. His face is stiff and unfeeling, even when bubbled up from bruising.

Being a second collaboration with Refn doesn’t aid him either in becoming a character, but provides the film’s highest mark, and possibly loudest laugh. When Gosling’s Julian asks Pansringarm’s cop to fight, they prepare thoroughly as the camera cuts between center staged medium shots as they seem to switch places. All of this tension breaks when Julian ends up being an awful fighter, and getting brutally defeated. It’s the one point where Refn seems to be self-consciously film making, unfortunately it comes in one of the films climaxes, and unfolds so much needed tension with laughter, though maybe because I’m sick and happy to see Gosling fail (but Refn might now that).

One of Refn’s tricks is to twist the color for the characters. Julian’s brother’s shirt is blood red right before he rapes and kills a woman. The cop is almost entirely corrupt except for a peak of white at the top (a light fitting characterization). The trick is made explicit in a scene with Gosling switching between realities and simultaneously swapping black and white shirts before eventually settling for a whole mess of everything: a white shirt and black vest covered in blood. Therefore we might expect Gosling’s character to be the most changed throughout the film, though his actions are less ambiguous and more obvious progression, with the ambiguity kept with his motives which may or may not be changed. Thus this technique really falls flat and adds little depth to the film.

The cop is given the role of the unstoppable force like Anton Chigurh with a sword. Filmed, of course, from an almost constant low angle. This is possibly the film’s most well etched character, and he might even be the hero. He does nothing ethically wrong, unlike Julian, whose hero’s journey was quite literally cut short before he could redeem himself, but has a more vigilante sense of the law, fitting for the underworld portrayed. All of the cop’s building terror is accidentally subverted by a mid-film chase in which certain shots that are more still and objective reveal him as a limping old man. Certainly not on purpose as the way the scene is edited makes him look alternatively normal and bent out of shape.

Refn seems to be taking many direct hits from critics. They all seem to morally condemn him for purposefully going for shock cinema and are beginning to view him like his fellow Dane, Lars von Trier. It doesn’t seem to me like Refn has committed any atrocities. What truly immoral or offensive material could they be talking about? The very porn-like Oedipal tale? The white rule in Bangkok? The more steady stream of violence as opposed to Drive outbursts? Or is it more that these critics are more offended by Refn’s willingness to bore or maybe alienate the audience? The film feels more self-contained than that. It doesn’t attempt to make any kind of current comment on its topics, any theme you might find is more existential than that. I have not been offended by Refn, but I feel that Only God Forgives lacks any cinematic intuition. It’s a very deliberate creation that Refn wouldn’t want do any differently, but he wasn’t able to read his film and was unable to notice any of its flaws. It’s an earnest but blind effort that ultimately falls flat, but not for it’s obvious and welcome stylistic evolution, but from it’s lack of awareness.
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I bought this from iTunes and watched it earlier this morning. From all the reviews of it I had seen I wasn't sure what to expect. I think the fundamental flaw people have when watching this film is comparing it to Drive when it is more comparable to the awesome Valhalla Rising. It had the same slow, plodding pace and was just as brutal, if not more so but the story itself was barren in spots and seemed like Refn missed the bulls-eye in a visual treatise on religion and vengeance. Although it's not as good as Valhalla Rising, I liked it.
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Finished here. It's been fun.
Okay here are my thoughts.
What I like:The visuals and art design are stunning. This is film that takes some Lynch,some Kubrick and adds neon and fiery hell'ish colors to the palette.This film was dark and had this creepy,unnerving atmosphere. The actors did fine with what was given, and I did like the symbolism.

What I did Not like: This film is very,very slow. I mean everything moves at a snails pace, I loved Drive. But this film's almost slo-mo directing was just overdone. The film can only be appreciated by those who like art-house films. This is a hard film to watch, if you don't appreciate art.The characters are poorly fleshed out as is the story. This film is like Eraserhead. It moves you through it's use of imagery and sound design rather than through storytelling.

Overall:6/10



^ Bugger. I take it it's only available on the American version of iTunes because it's not coming up on my iTunes?
I'm not sure. To be honest I didn't know there was a difference between iTunes in the UK and the US. But it's 12.99 in the iTunes store.



Okay here are my thoughts.
What I like:The visuals and art design are stunning. This is film that takes some Lynch,some Kubrick and adds neon and fiery hell'ish colors to the palette.This film was dark and had this creepy,unnerving atmosphere. The actors did fine with what was given, and I did like the symbolism.

What I did Not like: This film is very,very slow. I mean everything moves at a snails pace, I loved Drive. But this film's almost slo-mo directing was just overdone. The film can only be appreciated by those who like art-house films. This is a hard film to watch, if you don't appreciate art.The characters are poorly fleshed out as is the story. This film is like Eraserhead. It moves you through it's use of imagery and sound design rather than through storytelling.

Overall:6/10
Agreed. There isn't a lot of dialogue either. However, even though she has relatively little screen time, Kristin Scott Thomas was great in the film.



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This is film that takes some Lynch,some Kubrick and adds neon and fiery hell'ish colors to the palette.
Refn's not borrowing from Lynch and Kubrick, he's trying to be Jodoworsky. He explicitly loves him, became friends with him, and dedicated the movie to him.



Finished here. It's been fun.
Really? I was getting a Lynch/Kubrick vibe from watching OGF. I guess I should check out some of Jodoworsky's films. Are they any good?



And when I'm all alone I feel I don't wanna hide
I can completely understand why some people detest this film, but I have nothing but the utmost praise for it. It's great to see Refn capitalise on his commercial success by making a personal, distinctive film. It'll continue to undoubtedly divide audiences, but not many filmmakers go out and make their most inaccessible, ambiguous, and challenging film of their career after something like Drive, which made a quarter of a million dollars at the box office and established Refn's name in Hollywood.

It was a gutsy thing to do.

But it paid off. Well, at least for me, it did. This film was simply a mesmerising tale, consisting of orgasmic photography, an alluring soundtrack and a very minimalist-like story, enriched with symbolism and a consistently diverting narrative. It's not for everyone, that's for sure, but it just seemingly "clicked" for me. I guess it's one of those pictures that worked. It's an indescribable feeling, but I'm sure you've all experienced it.

I'm not surprised with the poor reception this film is getting. It's a very dividing piece; some will love it, others will despise it. I just feel sorry for the people that went in expecting Drive 2.

It instantly became a favourite of mine. Better than Drive, too, which I believe is a very unpopular opinion, but I'll stick by it.



And when I'm all alone I feel I don't wanna hide
Really? I was getting a Lynch/Kubrick vibe from watching OGF. I guess I should check out some of Jodoworsky's films. Are they any good?
Yes they are, sir.

Jodoworsky is one hell of a filmmaker. The Holy Mountain is one of the most bizarre films of all time. It almost breaks the very fabric of celluloid. Just a boundlessly ambitious and outlandish adventure.

El Topo is also very ... distinctive. It's like David Lynch on drugs doing a Western.

He's also made some other interesting films, such as Fando y Lis and Santa Sangre. He's a dividing filmmaker, one who you can easily appreciate more than you love, but he's worth checking out.



This is film that takes some Lynch,some Kubrick and adds neon and fiery hell'ish colors to the palette.This film was dark and had this creepy,unnerving atmosphere. The actors did fine with what was given, and I did like the symbolism.
then it should be awesome



I agree with everything Louis Malle said except the better than Drive part, I still prefer Drive over this. Saw this film tonight and loved every minute of it. A gorgeous film.


How can a guy make something brilliant like Drive then follow it up with crap
He didn't.


Really? I was getting a Lynch/Kubrick vibe from watching OGF.
Oh there definitely is the Lynch and Kubrick vibe also, I got a lot of Lynch when watching it, especially in the scenes where most or all of the characters are sitting.



Finished here. It's been fun.
This film is indeed very divisive, i do think Refn did go a little self indulgent here though. I mean the film is a visual masterpiece already,every shot was gorgeous. But Refn has to step outside of the box for the next film. All the characters barely speaking and emoting is not going to work anymore. And yes I love Drive. It's amazing. All i'm saying Refn has an eye for splendid visuals so i want him to try something grandiose and epic like a 2001 or Blade Runner style film.



And when I'm all alone I feel I don't wanna hide
This film is indeed very divisive, i do think Refn did go a little self indulgent here though. I mean the film is a visual masterpiece already,every shot was gorgeous. But Refn has to step outside of the box for the next film. All the characters barely speaking and emoting is not going to work anymore. And yes I love Drive. It's amazing. All i'm saying Refn has an eye for splendid visuals so i want him to try something grandiose and epic like a 2001 or Blade Runner style film.
I respectfully disagree with you.

I don't think the film was self-indulgent in the least. It was a very personal, honest, sincere piece from Refn. As you probably know, he had the idea of Only God Forgives before Drive - it's a film he always wanted to do. It really can be seen as, perhaps, Refn's second avant-garde film (behind Valhalla Rising).

I had no problem with the minimalist dialogue. In fact, it's refreshing. This is the type of film where the visuals, the symbols, and, to a lesser extent, the soundtrack, does the talking. It's similar to Stalker or Mirror in some ways - many compact ideas and themes conveyed primarily through visuals. So many films use dialogue as their platform to communicate. To see one where a filmmaker has the ambition to discard from the conventional and attempt something much more inaccessible or difficult is wonderfully audacious, especially after the financial and critical success of Drive. I was sure Refn's next film after Drive was going to be something a bit more...established and common. But I was wrong.

I do agree that Refn could perhaps benefit from a screenwriter, and seeing him take a stab at science fiction would be diverting to say the least.

I'm just happy there is a filmmaker out there who isn't necessarily chasing the fame, the fortune and the spotlight. And I find that pretty odd because if you've watched many interviews with Refn, one of his biggest aspirations as a film student was wanting the luxury, the mansions, the hot women, the spotlight (i.e., the ultimate Hollywood career). Well, he was on his way to achieving that with Drive, but decided to really polarise viewers and critics alike with his next film. And I respect that. I mean, I know my opinion really has no merit in the grand scheme of things, but there are few filmmakers who care more about their work than anything else. Paul Thomas Anderson is another one, as is the Coen Brothers, but yeah, it's a small list.



Finished here. It's been fun.
It's cool that you feel so strongly about the film but I just don't see it. Not a hater of this film, I give it a solid 6. But I just don't see anything personal here. To each his own.



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This film is indeed very divisive, i do think Refn did go a little self indulgent here though. I mean the film is a visual masterpiece already,every shot was gorgeous. But Refn has to step outside of the box for the next film. All the characters barely speaking and emoting is not going to work anymore. And yes I love Drive. It's amazing. All i'm saying Refn has an eye for splendid visuals so i want him to try something grandiose and epic like a 2001 or Blade Runner style film.
I don't think that you could say that Refn got very self indulgent, I'm not really sure where that comes into play here. Where do you see it? Is it because you find he has a disregard for the audience? I think this film, as much as Drive was, is a clear stylistic evolution, not self indulgence due to his recent financial security. Refn may have played up his strengths in this film, but I don't think the characters' lack of expressiveness is the issue. The only ones who are without expression are Julian and the cop, Julian because of his mother, the cop because he's more of a force than character (it worked in Anton Chigurh). One of the main issues of the film was really just using Gosling a second time. In Drive it had the same effect as seeing Jimmy Stewart in Vertigo, but now that we've seen Gosling be this character, the effect falls flat.



People are exaggerating a bit about the lack of dialogue.... OGF has a fair amount of dialogue, a lot of it in subs but that counts as dialogue too. What most stood out to me was the lack of traditional dialogue and the absence of dialogue during key scenes when audiences have been conditioned to expect it. I personally felt that's what actually made OGF more realistic and grounded despite its excessively stylized surface. In real life, people don't go around explaining themselves constantly. Yet they have history, and interiority, and it's far too easy to dismiss OGF's curious restraint in those areas that viewers are most accustomed to being privileged.

Yet it's not merely a matter of "reading between the lines" either. My overall impression as I watched was that the characters often felt as ambivalent about their situation and each other as I did. In terms of familiarity and accessibility, the most "typical" character for me was Julian's perverse and subtly monstrous mother, ironically so.
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I wonder how people complaining about the lack of dialogue would react to films that don't have ANY dialogs at all. For example Bartas' Few of Us. Very often I find films with a lot of dialogs not as interesting as these where they say not much. Look at classic Hollywood films - they're almost entirely built on dialogs. It can be seen in some Hitchcock flicks, where they almost never stop talking. People got so used to it they can't take it when there's no dialogue nor verbal narration. Personally, I prefer characters not saying anything than mumbling for an hour (and the best possible option is when they mumble only a little xD). I love films that are built on audiovisual scaffolding, because as I am a sucker for great cinematography and fancy pantsy shiny images, I found the lack of dialogs and vocal narrative just an interesting form that can be both good and interesting, almost never bad, if audiovisually the movie presents a grandiose level. In other words I don't take the lack of narrative as a flaw. I'm talking about verbal narrative of course, because visuals and mimics can also be a narrative.

In Only God Forgives I didn't care about the plot that much. I found interesting minimalistic backstory and interesting relations between characters, but what was a lot more important to me, I also found OGF to be incredibly atmospheric having enigmatic vibe to it.

All in all, I don't see movies as books. The story is not the most important thing to me. Surprisingly for most of you, neither are visuals. It's the general aftertaste and mood the movie managed to create and things it made me feel that count. You may think I don't progress, but regress, but I really think movies are a lot more than simply a plot and even some details you can relate to may have an importance.
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I just watched this last night on Amazon Instant. I could tell right away that this film would be loved by few, hated by many. For me, it was neither. The story is very much in the director's own head, be prepared for that. I was reminded of a student film that I worked on when studying film-making in Hollywood. A lot of melancholy stares, tortured souls, gratuitous violence. So many people walked out on the project that I actually ended up editing the final product. The film may not be what you'd expect to see, or had hoped to see, but I wouldn't call it a total waste of time.



Finished here. It's been fun.
It's not the lack of dialogue I think makes people dislike OGF. It's the lack of connection to the characters and the story. As well as how slow everything moves. In Drive we could sympathize with "The Driver" and felt a connection to the story. OGF is a dark,cold film. I don't hate it but can't love it either.It's a gorgeous film and I think will reach cult status soon, but I do believe Refn got a bit self indulgent.Just my 2 cents.