The UK Voting Referendum

I'm not a Tory supporter, but I wouldn't mind seeing Boris in charge tbh. He's an Eton Butt-boy like Camoron but at least knows the people's needs.


I'm hoping Corbin gets in though. He's a sly dog, but at least has a brain in his head.

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Take a look at the front page of The Sun today. They've left it late, but they hate to back a loser. I don't believe the polls, but The Sun taking a side? That does point towards Leave being most likely with 'those in the know'.

Corbyn would be a ****ing disaster.

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Boris as leader? Jeez no thanks!

^ Horrendously scary. You just have to look at the list of who wants to come out of the EU, says it all really. Yikes.

Yeah, but not pretend the list to stay in is any better. Blair? I'd rather go with Boris.

I don't really have a say in this as I am an EU national, therefore, not allowed to vote (and obviously, I'd support staying) but what I don't get is why UK is even having a referendum... Most of the people are not educated enough to make the right decision and people are so easily persuaded by propaganda on TV.

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Following that logic, people also shouldn't be able to vote for politicians.

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Myself and Christine have already said, but it's basically because Cameron is useless and makes policy and promises on the hoof, looking to quell any immediate threat with no thought as to their future consequences. Imagine Blair and then take away any and all political savvy and knowhow (and, probably, interest).

The first thing to remember is that the Tories have always been split about Europe. Labour have been, too, but they've never been as public about it and, with the obvious exception of Blair (and he'd have never allowed them to say anything) they've not been in power long enough for it to be anything other than a side issue.

Ukip were making inroads into the Tory vote for the last election and, so as to stem the flow of voters moving to them, the Tories promised a referendum on Europe, should they get in. The thinking at the time was that there'd be another coalition so, even if they were in power, the other party (the Liberals) would never agree to a referendum and, therefore, they could throw up their arms and say "We'd love to give you what we said we would, but they won't let us"

They didn't expect to win an outright majority and so, like most parties who don't really expect to have to carry out what they've said, they said anything which they thought would work. Then they got a majority and had to bite the bullet.

I would say though that I don't believe there is a "right" answer. Pretty much any argument that can be made for one side can be countered by the other and both have been providing so many figures and statistics to 'prove' what they say that we're drowning in them while being bored by them.

It's a confusing mess and the real fun will come after it's all over. That's when things will start to get interesting.

TBF, they shouldn't. That's why I should be in charge.

I think I'd probably vote "LEAVE" as a UK citizen. As a Belgian, I hope "REMAIN" wins, though.

The reason we elect politicians is that they make a decisions like that as they are (or should be) more knowledgeable. I mean, I see where you're coming from but I don't understand what is the point of this referendum and will it's outcome be final?

Another thing I just want to mention which I don't really understand is everyone's attitudes towards Cameron. As being from a different country, I see UK as an extremely strong country with increasing economy and jobs and opportunities, there is a reason why so many migrants are coming to UK after all... I've been here for more than 2 years now and the minimum wage just keeps increasing. However, for most Brits UK is just awful, NHS is awful, the royal family is awful and ofc, Cameron is the worst of them all. Sometimes I wish instead of another Big Brother, they could make reality show where they take a couple of Brits to live in poorer countries and vice versa. Like, in UK, you can actually have a normal life living off benefits only. In my country, for example, single moms with 4 kids have to work because the benefits cover half of the rent.

Most people don't like Cameron because the Tories seem intent on f*cking over anyone who isn't as rich as they are. They relentlessly makes cut to anything and everything beneficial, notably the NHS, police, councils (they're the ones that I always hear on the news protesting about cuts, anyway). Meanwhile, they refuse to even slightly reduce the billions we waste spend on things like Trident that could be better used elsewhere on things we genuinely need.
Their education reforms are a joke as well, the people they put in charge refuse to listen to people far more qualified than themselves and act against them as if out of spite, and one of them (Gove) could end up as chancellor and he's just an oaf.

That's what it's like where I am, anyway. I live in a Labour stronghold where the Tories are considered the lowest of the low

The point of the referendum is to see if the population wants Britain to stay in the EU or not. The reason why we are having it is a piece of political hedging by Cameron as detailed above by HK. The outcome will be final I guess as you can't leave and then ask to go back in again if things don't turn out . Will the other EU countries put up with that? I doubt it.

Gabrielle, you might've been here two years but I think you have to be born here to understand what most ordinary people have against Cameron. We still suffer from a well defined class system, just look at the likes of him, Osborne, Boris Johnson, Jeremy Hunt - do you think those people really understand what life is like for the rest of us?

Most Brits don't think the NHS is awful, or the Royal family really, it'd just that we like to moan about stuff, it's the British nature. The NHS is our proudest national institution. I think if ever anyone tried to mess with it in a big way, we'd stand up and fight.

Great post Christine i almost completely agree with it

Anyway, i've been reading up on British Politics History and i'm pretty sure i'm Aneurin Bevan incarnate. I'd never heard of him before and i agree with him on just about everything. I always felt it was weird that i respected Clement Atlee's government so much without agreeing with Attlee himself that much and Bevan is the answer to that.

So politicians i agree with:

1.Aneurin Bevan
2.Vermin Supreme/ Monster Raving Loony Party/ etc

This is a pretty cool art piece/poster, both camps have shite in them but from what I've seen the In is far better in my eyes. Some Out supporters(if this artist did his research correctly):



Yuck, if there is a more horrible list than that in the In camp, please show me.

As much as the over capitalistic elements of the EU (TTIP) concern me, I'm voting to stay in. Would rather stay in and be part of it and try to reform and develop it in the future than leave and put the country potentially in the hands of Boris Johnson who'd have a free reign to do what he wants, that and the rise of far-right groups and other issues concern me and believe that leaving fuel these. I don't like the scaremongering and calling people racist for voting out though, I'm probably about 60-40 on the vote. You could argue it's racist to discriminate against immigrants based on their geographical location, just letting them in because they're close and closing opportunities for people further afield.

But yeah, all the people I respect most in politics: Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Caroline Lucas, Yanis Varoufakis (has probably wrote some of the best stuff on this) and Owen Jones are for staying in, so I'll trust them too.

I've noticed you've posted stuff like this before. Could you expand? How would you define your political views, who would you vote for?

If Corbyn were still on the backbenches, I'd put money on him voting Leave.

This is the Socialist dilemma right now - Vote Leave because you're fundamentally opposed to the Brussels bureaucrats, which hands power to an even more dangerous group of Tories in Johnson/Gove. Leave would destabilise the Conservatives, which would suit Labour, but it's a long time until the next scheduled general election. Talk of Jezza riding to the rescue after an early GE gets forced is hopelessly naive, I think.

Vote Stay and the status quo is resumed. We'll still have a fractured Tory party but one which has a leader with a clear mandate.

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TTIP is one of things condensing my Remain vote to be honest. Would you rather be in a voting block when setting up trade norms, or left with your government being sued for introducing a smoking ban under bi-lateral agreements? The EU is actually a better bet for not getting shat on in those deals. (And be sure that a Brexit-Britain would try and establish such deals regardless).

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The trade and economy stuff seem fairly strongly on the Remain side to me anyway, from my layman's perspective. We can trade outside the EU already, we'd just struggle more to trade within it after an exit, and be more at the whim of its many vagueries without having a (currently substantial) voice at the table.

On EU immigration stuff... I'm biased because my job isn't threatened overly by fluid workforces (as it's heavily language-dependent). But I also don't see how leaving makes us any more likely to suddenly develop a vibrant export economy. We haven't done that even with the pound knocking 30% off the cost during the recession. It's not some miracle that's gonna make us an island of prosperity suddenly.

On the refugee quotas I see the diaspora as worthy given Eastern Europe's load and as a safety valve. And a f*ck off to ISIS who'd claim Western hate of Muslims is gospel. We take a very tight quota as it is.

Europe's strength has always been soft power. The carrots that invite peace over war. It's got a ****-ton of flaws, but I'm still far more into it than I'm out...

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I think you're right. He's been a bit lukewarm about recommending Stay anyway