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You probably don;t want to hear from me, Guap, and I understand but...I'm sure there is a big difference between western and japanese visual. I mean, there is. But also it could be that anime (no matter if it's anime, usa cartoons, etc) just isn't something a lot of movie buffs get into, that's all. I don't think it's because the "anglo saxons" cannot accept or appreciate other cultures, I mean, that's absurd. I do understand you wanting to merge that specific art form into commercial Hollywood conventions but that's a tall order for reasons that I'm sure exist outside of prejudice, though, I wouldn't rule some prejudice out, of course. That's apparent everywhere lol.

This is definitely true and it was pretty gross. Think more than anything it was to bait you after the tonnes of arguments and that isn't right of course.

The times i remember this happening was when you were nominating tv shows and sequels. TV Shows aren't allowed in the movie hall of fames, and people rightfully didn't want to start at the second or even third (?) film in a series. You claimed you didn't have to see them all then Jal contradicted you saying there was no way you could not start from the beginning and have any idea what was going on. I got the impression you were trolling there, intentionally attempting to get people to waste their time with something due to your annoyance with the performances of recent nominations of yours in the Hall of Fame. I mean that was after the 11th Hall of Fame but before the outburst that part of this threads argument was based on: the placement of Bashu. You were obviously still annoyed at that point about Bashu as the arguments happened after you dropped out of the Animation HoF.
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That's interesting. I'm sorry people were that close minded about being recommended an anime to watch. Do you think that this just pertains to anime? Because I think Japanese cinema (Kurosawa, Suzuki, etc.) gets a fair treatment here.

LMFAOOO!! Wow, this is crazy!

I was banned from RealGM like five years ago.... for basically NOTHING!

That forum has THE worst mods on the net.... especially that clown Tsherkin... I think that's who banned me. Posters get banned from RealGM on a daily basis, for literally THE most minor infractions. I think it was because I went on a mini rant about how stats were overvalued, and that many posters didn't know the actual GAME and were just stat geeks... and I was canned. No warnings or anything.

I still read the forum, cause I'm an NBA fanatic.... but OMG the mods are uptight, humorless, and power hungry.

Small world!

I think Asian live action film is more respected in the West than its manga and animation. I guess it is because it is closer to Western culture than manga is. The highly stylized visuals of manga art are alien to Western aesthetic sensibilities. And so I think are harder for Westerners to swallow.

But I think that there has been a general improvement in perception and acceptance in this forum over the last few years.

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Look, I'm not judging you - after all, I'm posting here myself, but maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time here and more time watching films, maybe, and I stress, maybe your taste would be of some value. Just a thought, ya know.

Guap's perception of Yoda behind the keyboard:

"Guap, I'm going to count to three... there will NOT be a four."

You mean some westerners.

Here is just one article. Can you trust the consensus? No, nobody did the counting for stats. But here is one point of view. Just America for now. A wealth of info out there pertaining to western culture, not limited to the US.

Here's a quote "Firstly, the popularity of manga and anime in America is arguably larger than American comics are in Japan."

http://graphicnovel.umwblogs.org/201...anese-culture/

This manga you speak of...influences western sensibilities. Period. Not sure where you make this stuff up from but it's definitely made up, bro.

He's exaggerating and inserting his own (wrong) interpretations about why people reacted the way they did and what their motivations were.

A prime example of this is when he signed up for the Animation Hall of Fame and nominated something that didn't work as a stand alone film. It was the second movie based off of an anime series. It was very difficult to follow without knowledge of the prior film or series. The host gave the deciding vote to me as to whether or not to allow the nomination. I voted no (after watching the film myself) and the host accepted that and asked Guap to nominate something else.

At that point, Guap accused the host and me of being racist against Japanese people, despite the fact that my nomination (Satoshi Kon's Tokyo Godfathers) and the host's nomination (Hayao Miyazaki's The Castle of Cagliostro) were also anime films. (I'm also half Japanese, though I don't know if Guap was aware of that fact.)

He consistently plays these little games and throws these tantrums when things don't go his way. Don't like the films he recommends or don't think they should be allowed in a particular activity? You're a racist and a xenophobe. It doesn't matter what you think your motivations are, you're a xenophobe and he's better than you, you little snowflake.

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I think there is some truth to what you are saying. As I mentioned earlier, I really like Cowboy Bebop, but I always had a hard time getting the majority of my circle of friends to watch any of it. Despite loving the music, I think it being an anime maybe did alienate their interest. To be honest, I only watched it because (besides the music) I was told there were gangsters in it, but I ended up appreciating the show despite that. But if you had to pick an anime that had overtones of Western influence, I guess it would have to be Cowboy Bebop?

But I don't agree that anime/manga isn't popular in the states, or the West, because I see it everywhere. The subculture may not be particular to this forum's taste, and I really can't defend anyone close minded enough not to give it a chance if everyone took a turn suggesting something, but there is alot of consumption of anime/manga out there. I will also admit that there is a certain stigma attached (especially if your are an adult male) to being apart of that subculture, but I guess you can argue that comes along with every subculture.

There are many Westernized anime and manga. In fact you can find manga versions of classics of Western film and literature. For instance, I read a manga version of The Great Gatsby and also of the Brothers Karamazov.

Of westernized anime my favorite of all time is Trigun. It is a science fiction western, not very dissimilar to Cowboy Bebop, but I found it's plot more emotionally involving.

It's true it's a popular subculture. However I don't think other subcultures are as stigmatized. Maybe the LGBT subculture can be regarded as the most stigmatized but that's for obvious reasons. Subcultures involving culture such as "Hollywood movie fans" or "rap fans" or "fans of Indian movies" are not stigmatized in the way "anime fans" are.

Also I think manga fans are not stigmatized like anime fans, mainly because manga is a bit more underground so only people "in the know" know it.

iNo you dont because youre in this thread polluting it with this ad nauseum discussion. You seem very hung up on americans and manga. I HATE manga and anime and im not american . Hate it with a vengeance. I dont even like the word hate and rarely use it but I fracking hate it. I have no problem with people who love it as long as they dont invite me for dinner then play that crap (in my and only my opinion) Why do I hate it? I shall tell you. When I lived in japan grown men would leave their fracking manga on trains and buses. It would be in magazine baskets for dentists doctors banks restaurants, along with fetish porn. Full of school girls getting gang raped then going vigilante, making the gang rapists sht in each othber's mouths then shoving it in the other guy's mouth along with his sliced off best frie nd. No one linked an eye yet if there was pubic hair men wou'd start screamin g and women would start passing out.














that last sentence you can disregard but the rest is true. Thus

I FRACKING DISLIKE IT WITH A A TONNE OF ENERGY THEN



I disregard it and move on. Why dont you have an anime thread here if youdont already. It might attract newbs and you can control them all in your own thread. Be the boss and all. Obviously here no one cares about your ad nauseum tirade about americans hating anime, and I must say, that's pretty ridiculous because Ive seen a lot of people here discussing anime and a stack of westerners on other social media discussing it. You just like making that up. The university near my home has an entire BA diploma on bloody anime so stop fantasising about what ALL people in the west think, guapo!

you havent even seen an anime I bet and your saying you hate it. Also lol at you thinking its all fetish porn. Looks like one of gaups generalizations is true

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But it hurts to be stigmatized. It generates suffering for the stigmatized people. Hence it is something that should not exist in an ideal society. In many countries there are laws against it.

I have an anime thread and a manga thread. Had those for years, in fact I started one a month after joining in 2012.

I never said it wasn't popular. Actually the stigma against it is a reaction of it's popularity. What is not known is not stigmatized.

No, man. I think Bronies win most stigmatized subculture. But this schism between anime/manga interests me. Do anime fans look down on manga fans? I figured the two would go hand in hand since there is soo much cross over between the two mediums.

I think Brazilians hate white people and they cannot digest the artistic aesthetic of anglo saxon sensibilities. I feel as if Brazilians are close minded in that way. They just don't get it. I feel very insulted. I think..- I think I may be a snowflake

What?

1. Please learn to read
2. You havent got the faintest idea what I've watched. I never had a problem with your posts before now but that is laughable. Were you really incapable of reading that I lived in Japan? You probably call Miss Vicky a xenophobe about Japan when she's half japanese as well.

Manga is actually much more popular than anime in Japan but in america I think anime is more popular

Hey Velvet..sometimes you have perfectly clear communication, and other times you come off like a 5 year old drunk monkey. Are you horsing around back there? Mr. can man?

It is like saying all American movies are porn because some are.

Manga/anime is basically the medium where Japan's projects it's inner thoughts and those include everything you can imagine. There is manga for every demographic, taste and even every imaginable fetish. Since manga is also where Japan throws all it's fetishes into it also contributes to it's stigmatization.