Donnie Darko - discuss it (megaspoilers naturally)

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ok. now that i visited the website i understand all about the timetraveling and why donnie was like he was..
i don´t think it is very believable though.

anyway, what do you think is the point of the movie?

they were dumb enough to almost reveal it in the trailer(which i´m glad i watched after the movie) displaying the word "sacrifice".

cuz that´s what i think it was about. he sacrifices himself to save gretchen.
i almost saw him like a kind of jesus, sacrificing himself so that others could be saved(frank for killing gretchen, gretchen from dying)

but then, what´s the point of that?

but after going through the homepage it seems frank and gretchen made donnie to do this(they are the manipulated dead).

it also says that the manipulated living are offend overwhelmed by regret later and you see jim cunningham crying in the end of the movie and on the homepage there is a papernotice that says he killed himself.
did donnie now that would happen? so by traveling back in time he could let cunningham escape because he was going to get his punishment anyway?
but his movement lived on and noone got to know about his childpornography-basement then.

the physics(?)-professor also died later by driving into a tree, what was the point of that(none?). or maybe i missed somehting in the notice, don´t remember it too well. maybe sparrow was out walking again...

what is the name of the graham greene novel drew barymore reads in the english class?

ideas, theoris, thoughts, post 'em!



the name of the short story was "the destructors"

i loved this movie, but i don't feel like talking about it. heh too late to type a lot...
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the point of the movie is to entertain, and it does it brilliantly.

i didnt really fully grasp the time travel bits, i'll buy it as soon as it comes out on dvd here though. anyway, i didnt think donnie meant to die, it didnt seem to me to be anything of his own choosing. perhaps it was something of a thinking man's 'final destination' - he was supposed to die at the beginning of the film, but he escaped death, but not for long.



does he die and then come to heaven (he talks about how he hopes somehting good will wait for him) or does he no die but go to another place in existence, another dimension?



alls i have to say is...the guy in the demonic looking bunny suit....very cool....very very very cool
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I think the whole point of the movie is that Donnie Darko sacrifices himself to save the world, because he is a pawn in "Gods" plan, whether it is a Christian god is not really known. The moment Donnie sees a person from his future (Frank) he's pre-determined path changes. The physics teachers mentions in the film that only the intervention of god would allow us to see our future visually, but if we see our future then our pre-determined paths would no longer be true. This would bring about the end of destiny hence the future no longer exists. This is what will destroy the world. Donnie is a marter in this test of "Fate and Time" he is a Jesus like character who sacrifices himself for the greater good by successfully travelling back in time and allowing him self to die. The reason he has to burn down that house is because in the greater picture all bad people get what's coming to them, because Donnie survived when he should have died he changed the future. Hence Frank makes him complete tasks to make everything closer to what is should be.

Well that's what I took from it anyway.
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Don't worry the above comment was completely out, I just read the "Theory of Time Travel" book on the website and it's all about instable tangent universes or something www.donniedarko.com check it out! Kinda explains the whole theory behind the movie.


But what I don't get is how did the old lady know about what was happening, did she creat, or control the whole thing read the book and you'll get what I'm pratting on about.



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That is one funky website. It's about as weird as the movie.
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Yeah, they don't even mention the whole idea of manipulated living and dead and everything else in the book the woman wrote.
Maybe they should have hinted to the viewers to go to the website..like show Donnie going to www.donniedarko.com on his computer =p



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This movie was very strange but also empowered an interesting concept. I had to watch the flick twice in order to fully understand the basic point of what the movie was trying to portray. The whole time travelling aspect is a unique idea. At first, I thought that when Donnie cheated death, he later realized that Gretchen gets killed and things got out of hand so he got to experience that (the moments of what would've happened if he was still alive). In order to save Gretchen, he goes back in time by time travelling and dies to save the world. By going to the site, you'll get a better understanding of the movie but maybe, just maybe -- the movie is for everyone to think of what they think it's about. Who really knows though? the way the movie functions is kind of like how Pulp Fiction does. The pieces are all jumbled up and Frank is the reason Donnie was able to cheat death. I don't know -- to each their own thoughts.
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Ok, There is a basic concept you must grasp is that is all based on a fictional science that doesn't exsist, you will never ever get the movie by just watching it wasn't created like that.

But here goes, when a worm hole opens a artefact must pass though and kill a person, the person this artefact must kill is called the hero (or something) at the moment the worm hole is opened a new parallel universe is created separate from the one we are in, everything is doubled in this universe except Donnie Darko who is the only person who travels into it. The movie shows the events that pass in this universe. The reason frank helps him is because it is the job of the "affected dead" (person's who die in the parallel universe but not in the real one) to help the hero bring the artefact that will kill him back though the worm hole (the artefact being the plane engine). The theory of time travel talks of a priest who stood on a hill and was killed by an arrow that came from nowhere.

Donnie Darko then set's up the chain of events to cause the plan engine to pass though the worm hole, flooding the school to bring the councillor burning his house to get him arrested which leads to Donnie’s Mother being on the plain and not the teacher it's how the events needed to pass to change what was going to happen. The parallel universe is also very unstable and that it why at the end the sky is falling. Donnie must then return and die as he was always meant to otherwise destiny would then no longer exsists and would cause everything to end.

This movie is very hard to explain as I said before www.donniedarko.com's theory of time travel book explains it in much greater deal.



I think it's ridiculous if you have to read a book to understand what a whole movie was about....

I haven't seen the whole movie, just the end, or all of Act Three.... I didn't like what I saw. I don't know why so many people are into it.



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Originally posted by Sexy Celebrity
I think it's ridiculous if you have to read a book to understand what a whole movie was about....

I haven't seen the whole movie, just the end, or all of Act Three.... I didn't like what I saw. I don't know why so many people are into it.
Christ Jason, you do that a lot. "I haven't seen it, or I don't want to see it, or I saw just a little...therefore it sucks!" Watch a whole movie then tell us it sucks man. I love this movie.

Let me watch it again, I have it on DvD, then I'll forget about this thread and type nothing further.
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Let me watch it again, I have it on DvD, then I'll forget about this thread and type nothing further.
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I hope this makes sense...

WARNING: "Donnie Darko" spoilers below


I’ve watched Donnie Darko six times now. Every time I watch it, I see something else that I had missed before. I’m not sure if I’ve figured out what is going on, I think I have, yet I’m not positive. One thing certainly helped, and that’s the scene titles on the DVD, I’ll be using those titles in my definitions. I’ll put them in (parentheses).

The movie begins with a confused Donnie laying alongside the road up on (Carpathian Ridge). It makes me wonder if he was being manipulated at this point, but it is never really implied. Donnie rides his bike back to town, and on the way passes an orange Trans Am (Frank?). We later find out that Frank does indeed drive an orange Trans Am, and is the boyfriend of Donnie’s sister, Elizabeth.

Later that evening the clock chimes its midnight hour, there’s a storm raging outside. Later we’ll discover that it’s actually a (Time Storm) raging with a wormhole opening up and with it, creating a (Tangent Universe). It’s like another dimension layered on top of our own. I believe it’s the entire town that’s caught in this alternate universe, with the rest of the world still being able to relate to it. I mean, the FAA gets involved, right? I’m a little unclear on this part, quite obviously. I think that when they show the close up of the grandfather clock, that’s when the rift actually transports the inhabitants of the town to the (Tangent Universe). They’re all stuck in it, and when Frank tells Donnie at the golf course that the world will end in 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds, he’s telling him that’s how long he’s got to get things in order before the (Tangent Universe) collapses, disintegrates, whatever, it’s never disclosed exactly what will happen.

Okay, I think that this next segment of the film is extremely important in cluing us in on what has happened, and what exactly the implications are because of it. Donnie comes home to find out that Frank has saved his life. He stands outside watching as the pull the engine out of the house, and there’s a scene where he stares at the spiral on the engine. That’s the clue to the whole film right there I think. The spiral signifies the time rift that they are all caught in. It spirals onto itself, beginning and ending pre-determined. This same jet engine already exists and will fall again later, repeating, concluding, and beginning the cycle again.

Donnie doesn’t understand the message or know that he’s not in his own dimension, but as the story progresses he starts to understand. Frank is used by ??? to deliver the knowledge so Donnie can set things in motion, albeit unwittingly at times, but he’s the one who is chosen to accomplish all the goals needed to get that jet engine back to the wormhole on time. Man, I can wrap my mind around this until I get a nervous tick in my eye, time traveling concepts coupled with spiritualism, not the easiest thing to grasp. Frank asks Donnie if he believes in time travel. I don’t know if Frank is a ghost, angel, or disguised alien, but he’s obviously been killed. So when he asks Donnie that question, I don’t believe he’s trying to tell him that he’s traveling in time, rather that Donnie has the capability to do it himself. He’s trying to teach him as well as guiding him. Is it God with His Angels, or are they good willed Aliens? The film doesn’t really ever tell us that, though Donnie does struggle with his faith, or lack thereof, but he also mentions ‘them’ numerous times, and the message in front of the statue does say, “They Made Me Do It”.

All I really know, is that everyone is in a (Fourth Dimension), and they are all being used by ‘them’ to guide Donnie. Each and every one of the central characters gives him some clue as to what’s going on, and to unwittingly give him clues as to the secrets of time travel. He sees the ‘manipulators’ using the people when he has the ‘visions’ of the (Liquid Spear’s). He follows his own numerous times, and he begins to understand, with the help of Roberta Sparrow’s book, the true significance of his ‘visions’. That they’re not visions at all! They’re real, and everything that he’s seeing is real. He’s not disturbed at all, more that he’s been gifted with some kind of special sight. At this point all he cares about is figuring out the truth.

There are different times through out the movie where it seems that one character or another show some sign that they sense something is not quite right, with the exception of Donnie. Donnie is being ‘allowed’ to see what is really going on. This is where I have a little trouble. There is not one single point during the entire movie where we learn what it is that is manipulating Donnie and the people around him. There are implications of God himself, but we are not given a perspective that puts us in the know. It would be easier to think that they are ghosts or aliens, other than God. Because, if it is indeed God, then there is the whole ‘free will’ topic again. Is it really pre-destiny? Everything that Donnie does with the guidance of Frank and the others, can he choose not to? He tells Dr. Fisher that he has to follow instructions, but then at another time he implies that he only has to do it out of obligation to Frank, for saving his life. I think if Donnie veers of the path laid out to him by ???, then he will doom the inhabitants that are stuck with him in this new (Tangible Universe). It will collapse with everyone trapped inside it. The future has already happened in the new (Tangible Universe), Frank is already dead, and the jet engine fell, so we know that that’s true. That must mean that Donnie has never had a choice??? Gahhhh….. <twitch> Okay, I’m alright now.

Near the end, when Donnie receives his final clue from Miss Pomeroy, with her cellar door, and he follows the clue to Frank’s death, he understands everything. 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds the (Tangible Universe) will end, it’s future already played out. But because of all the people who slipped out of their dimension into this alternate one, it’s future was put into jeopardy. They could have played out the future differently, that’s why they were manipulated into helping Donnie make sure things played out the way it needed to, in order for that jet engine to make it to its destiny. Sigh, it has to be God, it’s the only thing that really makes any sense. Earlier in the movie though, it’s mentioned that if God controlled time, then he also controls the future and free will. That would explain it being such a huge thing that Donnie has actually been let in on the truth. Gahhhh….. <twitch> <twitch> Crap, it’s getting worse.

I think the only real choice Donnie had was at the end. He could have chosen not to stay in his bed I think, but he felt it was better that way, and he was ready for God. Or maybe it was his reward. The reason I believe that the entire township were all in the (Fourth Dimension) with Donnie, is also because of the ending. When it pans across all the characters with that terribly sad song playing in the background, we see them all waking up, remembering it all, only to have it slip away. There’s the clue earlier when Donnie and Gretchen are talking about dreams and how they fade. That’s what happens to them all. They went into the (Fourth Dimension) with Donnie, lived those 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds, some dying, some having there lives torn apart, all experiencing something painful…just to have it all go away and to start over. Except this time with no Donnie. Donnie made sure that it would be different.

The thing with Donnie Darko is that it is totally open to different interpretations. If it was allowed to be a three hour movie, then I think things would be more conclusive. As it is, there are too many things left unknown, but maybe that’s its real appeal.



Alright, your last paragraph is complete nonsense cause like half the movie talks about how they still remember *in a way* what happened. Anyways, your whole anaylasis is pointless because you don't mention one time what the author is trying to say. Even if you were just trying to explain what happens in the movie, you totally left out the part about how Donnie is a superhero and can do anything he wants. I don't know, I just think that's KIND OF important. Jesus.



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I have been on a lot of movie websites and to be honest, it is a long time since I have seen a movie that was debated about so much.........

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Originally Posted by akSADDAMak
you totally left out the part about how Donnie is a superhero and can do anything he wants. I don't know, I just think that's KIND OF important. Jesus.
Donnie isn't a super hero, dude. Jesus.