Rank the following neo noir thrillers

I made a small adjustment to my list. I actually would list The Usual Suspects last. Despite its memorable ending, the rest of the film just doesn't hold up to these other 9 films. And it doesn't even have the best ending of the films on here.

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I've been away for more than 3 years, but I'm back! I have a completely different order for this list now, I would say:

1. No Country for Old Men
2. Se7en
3. Drive
4. Body Heat
5. The Usual Suspects
6. Thief
7. Nightcrawler
8. Memento
9. Collateral
10. A History of Violence

Memento
Body Heat
Thief
No Country for Old Men
Drive
Collateral
Se7en
A History of Violence
The Usual Suspects
Nightcrawler

Does Se7en count as a film noir, since it's a serial killer movie? I thought in order for it be film noir, it has to deal with organized crime, unless I am wrong?

Yes, Se7en is a neo-noir:

https://oss.adm.ntu.edu.sg/janl0001/...-modern-films/

Oh okay thanks, for the article, that's interesting. Would The Crow count as neo-noir as well?

1. No Country for Old Men
2. The Usual Suspects
3. Memento
4. Thief
5. Drive
6. A History of Violence
7. Collateral
8. Nightcrawler
9. Se7en
10. Body Heat

1. Se7en
2. The Usual Suspects
3. Memento
4. No Country For Old Men
5. A History of Violence
6. Nightcrawler
7. Thief
8. Drive
9. Collateral

Haven't seen Body Heat

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can't remember seeing Body Heat but I'm sure I would have at the time and I do have it checked off my list, so I do believe it'll be a new experience when I rectify it in the near future; and still haven't seen Nightcrawler. Very much on the fence about that one since it involves a parasitic Media hound that creates his stories; those f@cks rub me far too raw to attempt to watch it and not result in rage. So in all likelihood, regardless of how d@mn good it mostly likely is, I'll end up passing it over.


1. Memento
2. Se7en
3. The Usual Suspects
4. Collateral
5. No Country For Old Men
6. Drive
7. A History of Violence
8. Thief

Love 'em all in the end, great neo-noirs

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It's my #2 film of all-time, so yeah

1. SE7EN
2. No Country for Old Men
3. Nightcrawler
4. Memento
5. Drive
6. The Usual Suspects
7. Thief
8. Body Heat
9. Collateral
10. A History of Violence

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No Country for Old Men
Memento
Seven
Drive
Thief
The Usual Suspects
Collateral
Nightcrawler
History of Violence
Body Heat

Are you under the impression it is a flattering portrait of media hounds? It is the opposite of that, showing exactly how parasitic and awful they are.

Really? I remember it as setting a sort of color palette and style (GRUNGY, MENACING, DARK) for films including the Matrix, but #2 of all time?

It's not a fair question, but why #2?

It's BECAUSE they show just how parasitic and awful they are that I'd rather skip watching then spend my viewing getting more and more pissed off at the slime trail that these lowlifes secrete. It just agitates my taint in all the wrong ways to sit through, what may very well be, a helluva d@mn good film. The resulting punitive/property damages from my growing rage are far too high to make it worthwhile. lol

There ARE some great films regarding this like Ace in the Hole and the Smell of Success which I equally love the movies, and despise the characters; and seeing those again is rather unlikely because of my hatred of media hounds. And since, I presume, Nightcrawler takes the lowlife tactics to all new lows. . .

I would ask, why not? First, I saw it at a time when I was starting to get into films more seriously, so I suppose that accounts to something. But putting that aside, I think it's perfectly directed, performances are excellent (especially Freeman and Spacey), the plot is thrilling, and I don't think I've ever had a reaction as strong to an ending as I had to this one. Finally, I find it endlessly rewatchable, and I've seen it dozens of times so there's that too.

Well, it is quite vivid, I'll give you that. Freeman is always good. Spacey is hamming it a bit, but does his part OK. Pitt, well Brad isn't the best actor in the world and he's a bit unseasoned in this one ("What's in the Baaaahhhhxxx!?!?").

It's dark, kind of pornographic in its reveling in disgusting images and ideas. It's kind of "torture porn" territory for me. If something is in the top 10 for me, it should be a really solid slice of life, or offer unique philosophical point. It should be the sort of thing where I felt like "I needed to see that." Something that leaves me a better or more complicated critter for having seen it. I dunno, Se7en doesn't teach us anything, does it? There's no real wisdom in it, it there? It's jaded and dark.

Something about it rubbed me the wrong way. I mean like gritty films like The Cell (which is also amazing in terms of imagery) and enjoy the Evil Dead movies, but Se7en felt like I was seeing disgusting stuff only for the sake of seeing disgusting stuff with the syllogistic progression form (them deadly sins) as the only driving force.

It is an important film, yes. I really do think that color palates changed massively after this film came out. The use of color in this one changes the game, I think.

I guess I should give it another look. Maybe I am just a prude.

Even when I was just 13 (the age when I first watched Se7en), I've always maintained that it has the style of a great movie, but not the substance of one, which has prevented me from ever saying that I loved it. That, plus the uneasy combo of its uber-grim tone and gimmicky premise make it feel a bit like an unintentional parody of a post-Silence Of The Lambs Serial Thriller, sort of like watching a feature-length version of this, if I'm being perfectly honest: