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A lot of male Star Trek fans have made the same face... but a horse??? Django must be in Kink 101 now.

And, see, here I thought Kink 101 would involve, like, sheep, and maybe small dogs. Horses should be at least a 300-level class.

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You were a demon and a lawyer? Wow. Insert joke here."

There's a lot to respond to, but I don't have the time. Pid, I think you've been taking debating classes from Yoda. I'll get back to this thread soon enough.

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One of the biggest myths told is that being intelligent is the absence of the ability to do stupid things.

I am still pretty busy. If there is anything I skip you really want a reply to, let me know.

I am a liberal libertarian (notice the lack of capitalization there; I am not a member of the Libertarian party of the US and I probably never will be), and I believe in freedom above all else (if not taken to certain extremes). I don't like prostitution, but I can't condone keeping people from choosing that profession unless they are shown to be incapable of making rational and free decisions for themselves. Using this philosophy means that we have to tolerate things that we find distasteful. I am willing to make that sacrifice in order to guarantee everyone's freedom. Now, I don't think that TOTAL freedom would work very well, but there has to be a DAMN good reason for me to think that someone's freedom to choose should be denied. If I decide to have sex with someone for money, that should be MY choice. Someone who is emotionally unstable or in a situation where they feel they have no choice at all, those are different stories, and each situation should be treated individually.

Of course there would, and there is absolutely nothing in what you were responding to that suggests I am being coy about how much more demand there would be from men than women.

You are right; it is possible, but I don't see the plausible effect on society being nearly dangerous enough to justify eliminating people's rights in this way. Letting anyone eat hamburgers who wants to endangers people's health. We could outlaw sex, violence and profanity in movies to try to protect the whole country, but restricting freedom like this is not the way I would even CONSIDER going.

Definately. Call me shallow if you want, but yes, I believe many people can remain well-adjusted and emotionally balanced as a prostitute. People often sell themselves sexually or otherwise whether they are technically committing prostitution or not, and I bet that you would rarely ever call those people maladjusted. But, for some people, being a prostitute would be too traumatic, or a decision that they are already not in a position to make rationally. Those prostitutes need to be helped.


I want to come back to the children, Pid
Prostitution should be illegal for children, and that is a crime that should be quite a bit easier for us to enforce than that of adult prostitution. Other countries may differ, and how the problem should be dealt with should also differ.

Believe it or not, I know a prostitute (a pretty rich one) who has told me she would never do certain jobs, like running a big business or being a lawyer. She doesn't seem to hate her job very much, if at all, as I'm sure the vast majority of people would. There are many jobs I would hate to do, but I wouldn't deny other people's right to do them.

This is NOT true.

Kind of. This IS the kind of ownership attitude we were discussing, Pid.

No, I didn't.

What I would realize is that it is something I would not want for them; but I also don't want them to smoke, and my objection to that, while not QUITE as severe, would be pretty similar. However, I would respect their right to make the choice to be a prostitute (legally, that is) as long as they are old enough and mentally healthy enough.

This is a VERY interesting question. I have to think about it. If I forget, please remind me, because this is definately at least close to being a borderline right, to my way of thinking.

It's ok, I'm buried up to my neck in work and studies myself so I don't have time or energy for MoFo essays right now.

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The novelist does not long to see the lion eat grass. He realizes that one and the same God created the wolf and the lamb, then smiled, "seeing that his work was good".

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They had temporarily escaped the factories, the warehouses, the slaughterhouses, the car washes - they'd be back in captivity the next day but now they were out - they were wild with freedom. They weren't thinking about the slavery of poverty. Or the slavery of welfare and food stamps. The rest of us would be all right until the poor learned how to make atom bombs in their basements.

I feel your pain.

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Pumpkins scream in the DEAD of night!

Why are we talking about this. even if we provide evidence about how bad all of these things, there are still going to look at internet porn, rent dirty movies, go to strip clubs for a good time, and go hire a prostitue or two. Even if we say that it is perfectly fine there is still going to be some one that is going to say that it is terrible stuff. IMHO, this discussion is pointless.

Now, with that out of the way. Porn and strip clubs are just fine with me. I don't look at porn and i haven't been in a strip club, probably only because I'm too young. Prostitution on the other hand is terrible in my mind. What you are doing when you hire a whore is screwing a women who has had a lot of sex with a lot of dif/ people and you have no idea if she has AIDs or HIV or some other STD. Screwing another person who you know sleeps around is probably one of the dumbest things ever.

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"An Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
-Ben Kingsley, GHANDI

"Snozberries taste like snozberries"

With that attitude, isn't EVERYTHING pointless? We talk about it because it is an interesting subject. We talk about it because it is still illegal in the vast majority of the states, and millions of us think that's pretty silly.

That is why it needs to be heavily regulated and have condom use be a requirement by law, like in Nevada, one of the safest states in America to have sex with a prostitute, as opposed to the average state, where such an act is illegal.

In an episode of CSI I watched last Thursday night, I don't know if any of this is actually true, but it said that people pay extra so that the hookers don't wear condoms. Now what kinda dumb @$$ would pay extra so he could get an STD? please answer this question for me. You don't know where that women or man has been, why give up what is basically the thing that can either give you life or death? I think prostitution in any place should be illegal, even if the person has taken a blood test and been proven not to have AIDs or HIV, it to me is just wrong. That girl has been with other men and if you think about it you see it as you having sex at that moment with two people, the girl infront of you and the last person or persons she did because I don't know if they take showers after they do a "job" or not. To me it's wrong on many dif/ levels and thats all I'm going to say.

I saw the same episode and wondered the same thing. So here is a quote from http://www.sosfemmes.com/english_sex...glish_text.htm
"When you prostitute you always have a condom in your bag. But sometimes the clients refuse to wear the condom (…). You cannot say anything because it is too dangerous, with regard to the other clients and prostitution circle. Morally when you know that you are contaminating clients it is very hard but you don’t have any choice. For me it is not a question of negligence but it is a need of money and with AIDS less clients in general. So, on a few clients we have to accept everyone with or without a condom. To do whatever they want."
E., ex-prostitute, HIV positive

For more info here is a more useful link Making Sex Workers Safe

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"Believe me, the secret of the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment of existence is: to live dangerously!"
-Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, The Joyful Wisdom

Personally, i stay away from all that sex stuff. It could get a guy in trouble if you know what i mean.