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Technically speeking, but even from the point of view of content, of courage, of sharpness, it is almost imposible to compare a film made in recent years to a film of half a century ago.it's only logical, think about it: the filmmakers of today are artists who have learned from all the greats of the past, so they should take the best out of the best and refine it. moreover, cinema is a very technical art. In other words, the form of writing a book, for example, has not changed for thousands of years. All that happens is a man with a pen and a page. Music, too, since they began to combine words with melody, there was no technological improvement that is change the industry. But with cinema it's not like that. A film from even 20 years ago will be completely different from a 2018 film. In terms of photography, acting, music integration and so on ... I'm not even talking about CGI, but just in terms of location and boundaries of what a creator can do with a camera.. It has a lot to do with technology, unlike the rest of the arts. Take a movie from the 1950s or 1960s. Almost all of them, you can notice their forgery. Because they're made of sticks and cardboard, they were made out of sets.

but also in terms of content. In the mirror of history, the cinema of the 20th century will be referred to as 'literary cinema'. In the sense that he uses cinema as if it was literature, only diffrence its being filmed. the truth is that the first filmmakers did'nt know what to do with this great art. one that combines all the great arts: music, image, story ... and ... time! (Cinema is unique in how he absorbs time) In a sense cinema is the art that will finish all the arts. Why write a story if you can add music to it? Why draw a painting if you can make a story out of it? there has been a big revolution in filmmaking over the last decade. There is an attempt to make the cinema more musical than literary. More experiential than interpretive. More mathematical than humane. Above all; To create a certain concept around the narrative, around the time of the narrative, how it is interpreted in the story and with the music ... to reach some sort of midpoint between story-music-image-and-time. If you go too far into one element you lose everything. Films like Ghost Sotry, Under the Skin, Dunkirk, Nymphomaniac, Enemy (2013), memento. they Try to play more on a conscious continuum than about a story within a life.

The thing is that some anonymous film lover, when he set to watch the classics, he (even at subconscious level) adopts a point of view that adores, almost automatically. Because the reason people do what they do is almost always out of a desire to adopt a particular identity. And what movie lover would say he did not like Citizen Kane? While the films that have been coming out in recent years he's looking with contemptuous eyes.. But the truth is that in every year cinema is getting better and better.

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There has I think definitely been a movement this millennium towards art-house cinema that looks to work beyond more conventional narratives often focusing heavily on tone or moving into dark comedy but I wouldn't say these things are purely modern inventions. I was watching one of the front runners of such films a few weeks ago in Uzak for example and the film makes very overt references to its debt to Tarkovsky.

The most siginficiant break for me was around the late 50's and early 60's, a film like 8 1/2 for example feels more disconnected from cinema released a decade previously than it does to modern cinema(Birdman for example) for me.

I do tend to think were living in an era were the cinematic media is still very healthy artistically, at least beyond the more overtly commercial releases, moreso than say popular music. There I think we've seen areas that previously allowed more artistic freedom become overly commercialised, I mean yes ambitious music does still exist but the "indie" scene today is largely corporate rock/pop now and has been for most of this millennium. The arthouse scene in film does still feel like its working more on quality and taking risks. Films like Under the Skin, The Master, The Lobster, Nightcrawler, Cavalry, Blue is the Warmest Colour, Whiplash, Ida, etc hold their own with any era for me.



Forum members, in response to the last comment, what comedian (American or otherwise) do you think is as popular as Chaplin was in his day? My first thought was Will Arnett but perhaps there's someone newer? And can you think of someone whose appeal crosses cultures?



Neither is Will Ferrell.
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Ferrell's not really my cup of tea, but would you say, in popularity (not creativity) he comes closest today to matching Chaplin or is there someone else? And who today would you compare to Chaplin creatively?



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I only have a few minutes before I have to leave today, but can't resist this great topic.- so will add a few (admittedly biased) comments. I think the capability for incredible visuals are a benefit to modern 21sf century films. I see great visuals today even in lesser or ordinary films, and even in low budget indies, that were seldom used in 50 year old films. All the Marvel hero action films are carried as much by visuals as a storyline. Even a relatively 'newer' film like War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise had astounding visuals. So did the original 2001 but that was an exception. A film like Tio Kill A Mockibgbird was far from gripping visually, but was carried by the story. Which was mesmerizing.

I do find that the respect for the art of literature, which infused last century films, is often lacking in modern films. So often a film that is lauded by critics- like the recent 3 Billboards- has jejune storylines and unbelievable characters - and the plot starts to sag by halfway through the movie, which seems to be just a tedious string of events. Plotting , powerful storylines, ironies and tantalizing mysteries, interwoven
sub- dramas and the believability and subtleties of unforgettable characters; along with shading, nuance and foreshadowing- all were seen in powerful older classics like La Strada or even miniature gems like The Last Detail.

You can't change progress. Nor do I want to put a damper on modern films for an appreciative and enthusiastic current audience. I' m glad the movies are being
made ( thoroughly enjoyed for example Dankest Hour) and the energy to tell a story is still there. I'd also wager that more recent masterpieces, like Tree of Life or Yann-Arrhus Bertrand's powerful nature inspired films like Home- were not technically capable of being made in the lower tech old school days of earlier classics. But I do miss being swept away by a literature- like inspired storyline lthat grabs you like a train you've stepped aboard, and you wind up never wanting to leave the ride.
Alas , I think those days are Gone With The Wind.



So often a film that is lauded by critics- like the recent 3 Billboards- has jejune storylines and unbelievable characters - and the plot starts to sag by halfway through the movie, which seems to be just a tedious string of events. Plotting , powerful storylines, ironies and tantalizing mysteries, interwoven
sub- dramas and the believability and subtleties of unforgettable characters; along with shading, nuance and foreshadowing- all were seen in powerful older classics like La Strada or even miniature gens like The Last Detail.
3 Billboards, I agree, was so over-hyped & turned out to be so mediocre. Dormand would be advised in future to stick with the Coen brothers. Seen The Last Detail so many times. Still holds up as a terrific movie.



Think McDormand is fantastic regardless of who she's playing. I think Three Billboards is terrible but i think she is incredible in it.

Anyway, good post Lenslady.



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I really liked Three Billboards. Even though I wish it would have had more of a conclusion, I found myself fascinated by the complicated characters. Mildred went through a horrible tragedy and despite that she tries to maintain a tough exterior. She's not always likeable and sometimes does just as questionable things as the police. Of course, she gets to learn you can't hide behind a tough exterior constantly, there are times where she shows guilt and regret. She's a very unconventional depiction of a character going through loss, and I absolutely loved Frances McDormand in the role. I equally loved Sam Rockwell as the corrupt cop, who he himself turns out to have a lot of depth. Woody Harrelson delivers a quietly great performance as the chief, who was at times funny, other times very sad.

There was also a perfect mix of seriousness and black humor, as is the trademark forte of Martin McDonagh.

As a mystery, it's definitely lacking. But as a character piece, I have nothing but praise for it.



So many film makers today are putting style over substances...and that hurts the film IMO...

Now style with substances, that can be sublime.

I'm finding that so far in 2018 I ain't liking many films. Of course great films are being made all the time and all over the world. But as far as mainstream 'Hollywood' films go, I swear they're more like music videos with lots of CG and splash and fancy camera tricks...but lacking in story telling and character development.

I'll take an older or foreign language film that's inspired and doesn't insult my intelligence, vs carbon-copy-crap sequels and reboots being churned out by the money making mills of Big Money Hollywood type studios.



as is the trademark forte of Martin McDonagh.
The trademark forte of McDonagh is "this person said something you probably didn't expect them to", woah that woman or dwarf or... doesn't talk like you'd expect them to, he was even in charge of that conversation for a bit there LOL.