An old thought experiment

Really now. You kill hitler because you think that killing him would change the course of history?

You are out of your mind. You can postpone certain events from happening but you can't change them and if you do, other negative consequences will occur. time travel has been studied by many psychologist and most of them agree that a "butterfly effect" would occur. you've seen The butterfly Effect right? thats the basic jist.

****, you assasinate hitler, and then you knock off the newly rising leader, and then another and then another.....suddenly you become a legendary assasin and the most despised figure in germany and someone might go back in time to kill you.

Or how about this senario: you assasinate hitler and members of his regime, the rest of the party is convinced that it was the US so they rally the germans (jews and all) and the french and spanish, and the british against the tyrant USA and suddenly the US is no more.With the USA out of its way germany turns into a war juggernut and takes over the world.

Think before you speak adiddas, killing hitler will not solve the problem.

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Thank you, Doc Brown.
You just told someone they're out of their mind because their vision of what would happen in a theoretical course of events is different from what you imagine. NO one knows for sure, so what's with the 'tude?

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ok, first of all, you ain't the boss of me!

second, if you look at the first post, the situation is when hitler is about 20 and just kicked out of art school...therefore, he has not yet been involved into the whole nazi scene and therefore noone would miss him....

thirdly, i'll say it again....what could be worse than the second world war? can you imagine something worse happening at that stage of the human development? i can imagine an all out nuclear war happening NOW , but not back then...back then...it got as bad as it could....

so yes, i would take that chance and take him out....and lets see what happens....can't be any worse than it was....i'm sure of it...

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Calm done, chaps. It's all hypothetical.

Assassinating Hitler would probably be a bad idea. He wasn't the philosophical founder of national socialism, nor was he one of its most charismatic proponants. He probably was the most ruthless, though. It's likely the nazi party would have risen to prominence without him, remember they were voted into power. The public condoned them. National Socialism took advantage of rife anti-semitism in Germany and throughout Europe/Russia, as well as the economic situation that resulted from the Wall Street Crash, residual bitterness over defeat in the first world war and the general feeling that Germany was a side-lined nation in the world.

The real danger in assassinating Hitler would be the liklihood that he'd be replaced by a fascistic leader that was more competent, or more open to diplomacy. The world was tired after the Great War and the Wall Street Crash and, at the time, communism represented a greater political threat to the status quo than fascism. Also, there was sympathy and support for the fascists in most nations, including Britain and America, and it took a lot on Hitler's part to drive them into declaring war. The elimination of "undesirables" and the Russian invasion probably would have been executed without western Europe or the US intervening.

Even if this hypothetical other leader of Germany had pursued Hitler's military ambitions he might not have made some of the msitakes Hitler did. A leader who, say, attacked Britain and the Soviet Union in turn rather than concurrently, or made better provisions for the Russian winter, probably would have victored in Europe. The allies came perilously close to defeat a number of times during the war and it's only due to Germany's errors that they emerged the eventual winners, really.

And even if you totally averted the rise of fascism in Germany, there's a lot we owe the war. Massive advances in technology, the civil rights movement, the welfare state (sorry America, read MediCare there), the massive drop in public anti-semitism, the dismantling of European empires and the rise of America to global dominance. There's a good chance the world we live in today would be a lot closer to fascist Germany than we may like to think if there hadn't been the nazis to hold a mirror up to the worst of the West. I know it's not much in the face of the massive loss of life that war caused, but in the long run it the consequences have been largely good for the majority of people.

Churchill on the use of lethal and non-lethal gas, to illustrate my point that politics before the war were closer to Nazi Germany's than is usually thought (1919):

adidasss - My logic in being nothing more than a bureaucrat is that I could allow events to unfold pretty much the way they did, but hasten the allies eventual victory and ameliorate some of the worst excesses of Nazi policy.

Adidasss and others,
judging by what i read in many forums, newspapers, and comparing the orthography of Americans with other English (not even other languages) native speakers from Britain, yeah, seems like the average American cannot write correctly cuz he/she is anti-nazi.

heehee.

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same thing with grammar nazis, hey!

bless you for trying to teach us proper grammar....but try not to nit pick so much eh?

the concept of nit-picking varies, it seems.
like that guy in my class who would ask the teacher after a long loooong explanation of the cases in German:
"hei, i got it all... except... what's the difference between dative and perfect tense?"
yeah, real story.
but you use "nit-pick" and i like the word, so you're forgiven (that and you are a Croatian...)

Not debating the truth of that, it's a horrifying thought. I was talking with a friend yesterday about the fact that it is so hard to come up with a way to reach the people who don't want to think about politics. It seems like it takes a HUGE disaster before people are willing to look around. So many want a government that will take care of all the details without input from Everyman, and they're consequently incautious about who they trust to be in that government. The route away from fascism seems to be more work than many want to put in.

why does everybody assume that killing hitler would be the only way to avert the war?

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