Moe

@ Daneil, This is that's because you are adopting the pedophile gaze. There exists pornographic animation and comics, there exists erotic animation and comics and there exists moe, moe is cuteness though they sometimes mix cuteness up with sexuality when you have sexy women acting all cute (like in Agent Aika).

That is erotic. Moe stuff is not in principle, some people might think it is but that's because they are thinking that "every man is a pedophiles." Its disrespectful to men to think they are not capable of feeling emotions different from sexual impulses. Miazaki movies are almost completely prudish with the exception of Cagliostro, Nausicaa and Princess Monoke which have sexualized women but the rest is completely prudish. K-On is also completely prudish.

Just because you are not interest doest mean people who are are pedophilss, when I was your age I wasn't interested either.

What is debatable is whether or not what something is "classified" as should matter in this context. The mere fact that something is made for (and consumed by) adults does not mean it cannot be childish.

But why would discovering that change what it is? This is the whole point. There have to be reasons beyond simply citing how it's classified, or who buys it, or when it airs. If 24-year-old men started buying Frozen stuff left and right and they started airing it in the middle of the night, it wouldn't suddenly become a more mature film.

I'm confused: it's not sexual, except sometimes it is?

I don't see any basis for your (fairly provocative) claim that you have to think all men are pedophiles to find some of these images sexual. Nor is suggesting that the sexual aspect is part of the appeal the same thing as saying everyone who likes it is a pedophile.

We do have popular subcultures in Europe and the U.S., but I just get the feeling that for such a small country Japan has some extremely specific age and sex related ones.
Would you even call heavy metal a subculture? I've grown up with fans of heavy metal, my own son being one and I've been to local concerts and seen people there of all ages and sexes, some dressed a certain way , some not. I would've just said they were fans of the music. What makes a subculture and do you think that some people who consider themselves within a subculture then deliberately distance themselves from the 'norm' just to feel more elitist?

Speaking as an adult male, I love the Lion King. I actually feel like that film is more for a family audience than strictly for children. And I know so many female Star Wars fans, I wouldn't call it strictly for teenage boys. Classification means absolutely nothing. Both of these examples are things that transcend their "classifications." I made myself watch a bit of K-On so that I know what I'm talking about here, and I still don't see how it's not aimed at preteen girls. I can't imagine any adult males, save maybe some emotionally stunted, or effeminate males getting anything out of it.

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Another thread where Guap tries to desperately justify his insecure tastes to an unreceptive community. Call me if anything funny happens but this whole "Guap classifying the world" has been gone over too many times to be of interest

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Indeed.K-On is more childish than any children's entertainment I ever watched. That's the whole point of it. Being crushingly childish, delivering super heavy doses of cuteness.

Frozen was insanely popular with Japanese mainstream public and nerds, including many adult males brought Frozen blu rays in mass, its the highest selling blue ray disk in Japanese history I think (not sure if beat EVA 2 though).

It's comedy involving sexual elements:



Its different from attempt to be sexually estimulating. Like Aika does.

By the way K-On TV lacks any sexual jokes, which were present in the manga and were removed from the TV show which became more popular and acquired a broader audience than originally intended.

I didn't like it because the songs hurt my ears. I didn't like the cliche characters as well. I dislike Disney's style overall.

No, it provides useful information. I usually read adult manga and I notice that I like them more than teenager manga while I usually dislike children's movies, such as Lion King. Though My Neighbor Totoro is children's film and its in my top 10. It means something but you shouldn't not watch or read something because its classified for another demographic.

Ok mister macho mature dude. How about this:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v6DAEJanqWQ

And this:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4lvRueoEY

Some hardocre stuff in there man!

Thing is that you should learn to watch stuff not from the perspective of the characters but from your own gaze.

Well, "from my own gaze", this is not to my tastes. I wont tell anyone that they can't enjoy it, but it's not for me.

OH....MY...GOD!!!

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I think it's rather acquired taste like death metal. I enjoyed K-On the more I watched it. People's tastes evolve with with you experience, that's why people of different social groups have tastes conditioned in belonging to that social group. Film critics learn to "love" Citizen Kane, for instance.

Moe is a bit more simple than that though, it's like youtube cat videos, but with carton characters instead of animals. I think it appeals to basic human instincts.

But I understand that taste is taste, I dislike gangster movies in general though I liked some I have a hard time having sympathy for the criminal characters. I think it's the genre that I dislike the most. As well as several directors I don't enjoy much like Goddard and Kiarostami's.

Canadian/American "moe":

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (2010)


I watched a couple of films from this franchise. It's pretty good stuff actually, very cute as well. It was made obviously for little kids as the cuteness is not as "brutal" as in K-On but it also has created a cult teenager/adult fanbase, because the creators of the show in 2010 decided to include more sophisticated writing in the show to appeal for the parents of the kids which watched it them, now it has created a cult following among people who were not consciously target of the series and films.

I just watched the Bobs Burgers episode about Bronies the other day

I think it's only a question of time until western proper moe TV shows shows up. Though I think we are still far away from K-On! levels, like 40 years behind Japan.

How popular are "moe" TV shows in Western countries ATM Guap? Also has it became big in any other Eastern countries, like South Korea possibly yet?

Premier of this:




Try to count how many little girls showed to watch the premier of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's the Movie (2012) a modern camp classic of moe action. Though its true its not very obvious its not children's stuff because there are even some series which made fun of the age of the fans of Magical Girl cartoons, such as Oreimo.

Nah, even in Japan hardcore stuff like this and adult magical girl stuff is only popular among hardcore animation nerds called "Aniota". I talked to an aniota once, he told me he estimates there are only 4 million aniotas in Japan. For instance, when anime is released instead of costing affordable prices they sell the stuff in Japan for 600 dollars a 25 episode TV series, so that it sells only 10,000 copies to superharcore fans instead of selling for 25 dollars like in the US for the mainstream public., because adult anime doesn't appeal to the masses. Moe stuff is like death metal and Bela Tarr, only for small circles of people of refined tastes.

Madoka made 600 million dollars in merchandise sales because it managed to break into the mainstream. Miazaki himself only managed to become mainstream after 5 movies, with Kiki (1989), before his movies were financed by the adult anime nerds.

Mainstream stuff is like Attack on Titan and One Piece mangas which sells 20 million volumes per year in Japan. Very far away from K-On, whose manga sold only a few hundred thousand copies I believe. This stuff is cult.

It is extremely arrogant of your part to insist on opinion about something you have no knowledge about. One should not barge into the office of a especialist without knowing anything about a subject and tell them they are wrong. Its ignorant and insulting. Do you want to be treated with respect? Learn to respect other people. You are posting into my thread and saying the first line of the first post it is wrong, despite having absolutely no idea of the field.

I am not shoving, just nominated it, it's nothing to worry about. Learning to play well? You shove into my thread obviously not interested in what its about and you complain about me not playing along? If you are not interest them don't talk about it. You should learn how to play well.

How much anime do I have to watch to be able to engage in the conversation in your opinion?

Don't even try to answer, I already have you in my ignore list. Its a complete waste of my time to talk to you.