Who Do You Choose?

not their contribution/ no1 can deny they all paved the way for actors of the modern day genres that pay homage to their services but if u really think they had a bigger impact as wayne eastwood arnold or ss then that would be a personal preference. not a right or wrong answer

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I don't think Arnold can act as much as any of the other actors I have mentioned...

Arnold has 6 major hits in a 40 year career... Lee Marvin & Bronson are certainly not as popular as Arnold, but they have influenced the action genres far more than you think.

its like i think pacino and deniro expanded the gangster genre.. give credit to cagney and muni but pacino and deniro expanded it

I am not comparing these guys to Wayne & Eastwood?.. those 2 are perfect choice for their genre.

But I don't get the limitation for action stars to Stallone & Arnold?.
Can you please list their so called "BIG" influence on the genre.

Yes. Agreed. But that's changing the topic.

Ah, you dropped one out: James Colburn.

Wait a second. I take that back. Now, I really liked Charles Bronson but do I think he was a better actor than Arnold? Not sure about that.

Ohh Come on.... It's Bronson, ofcourse he is a better actor..
We're not talking about Seagal here.

death race 2000
rocky
cobra
lock up
cliff hanger
judge dredd
the specialist
cop land
assassins
get carter


terminator
true lies
the last action hero
eraser
predator
commando
collateral damage
conan


compared to

the magnificent seven
the great escape
bullitt


the dirty dozen
death wish
once upon a time in the west
violent city
death hunt

charles and mcqueen have them on westerns.. but im talkin action.. their is no comparison

Let's not even get Seagal in the picture here, my apologies for mentioning his name.
BTW after watching Machete, I think Seagal is finally learning to act.... if he keeps up the good work, we might have a breakthrough.

Regarding Bronson, his acting in Great Escape, Mechanic, Mr Majestyk, Death Hunt were all far better than any acting Arnold has ever done.

and action stars arnt suppose to be the best actors.. u just have to be built, be a badass and blow **** up.. in which them two do the best.. thats why football players r becomin action heroes.. i think arnold and ss blew more **** up and kicked more ass

My main argument was with Marvin & Bronson.

Bronson had far more better movies than the ones you stated:
Mr Majestyk
Mechanic
Valachi Papers
Red Sun
Chato's Land
Telefon
Raid on Enteebe


Marvin had a 35 year long career (till his death) & Arnold had a 40 year old career (still alive).

i agree cb has way better acting skills i just still dont think he expanded it like arnold or ss they took the 1980s and 90s and turnt the action genre into the modern day action movies that we watch now.

cb paved the way for those stars yes but expanded as widely as them 2? no

I stopped watching action movies in the 1980's. They just seemed too silly. So i have no opinion about Stallone vs. Ah-nold. Wait that's wrong. I have watched Schwarzennegger's sci-fi movies and I prefer his on screen persona to Stallone's but then all I know of Stallone is a couple Rocky movies.

As for westerns, I prefer the Duke. I guess that's because his films were less nihilistic than the Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns. I also think his on screen persona had a little more emotional depth that Eastwood's

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What do you mean by expanded?? Do you mean Global releases??

I think he means they starred in films which took special F/X and MTV-style editing to the level where many of their releases were massively popular (with both sexes) and paved the way for the modern CGI action flick (and almost every trailer too, unfortunately).

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None of Stallone's movies had a really good action director and Arnold worked with that Cameron guy so AS wins.

I'm not a big John Wayne fan, but he made a million westerns compared to Eastwood's few hundred and the best of them are among the best Westerns ever made. Eastwood did good, but Wayne wins the numbers game.

If so, I better run from here before someone says Keanu Reeves is the ultimate action star.

According to Victor Jory, who had been some kind of amateur fighter or something and liked to brag about it, when Errol Flynn first got to the states, Jory had a party and Flynn kept hitting on other guy's wives. Jory told him to cut it out, Flynn refused, they had a fist fight, and after getting whomped good, Flynn decided to take up Jory's offer to be introduced to some of the single women.

I can't choose between Wayne and Eastwood...that's like voting beween my dad and husband. In my younger days, I used to watch Wayne westerns with my dad. He doesn't sit and watch movies too much, so it's a nice fuzzy memory for me. And my husband gets a kick out of the Eastwood westerns. He'll call me in when a big shoot out is about to happen...he tickles me with "You gotta see this". So, both Wayne and Eastwood are equal to me as far as who I'd prefer to watch.

Action.....for big and beefy action I'd definitely go with Arnold.

Not mentioned though are the scrappy fast action guys....Jackie Chan would get my vote if he were included.

I don't care much for John Wayne as a person, but as an actor he was better than Eastwood, having starred in several classics, so it's more than just the numbers. I liked him best when he played against type--the suitor and former fighter who's afraid to fight again in The Quite Man; the "ancient pelican" pilot who fell from grace when one civilian aircraft crashed and who is challenged by a pending disaster in another airliner over the Pacific in The High and the Mighty; The Angel and the Badman where, after the opening credits over scenes of him from other movies firing pistols and rifles, he doesn't fire a shot in virtually the rest of the movie. Plus he deserved his Oscar nomination for his tough non-com in Sands of Iwo Jima. And then there's also Red River with its unusual story line and screenful of great character actors; and Stagecoach, after building through most of the film toward a showdown with three gunmen, the actual gunfight occurs off screen!

As for Eastwood, I think his best work was as Rowdy Yates in the TV series.