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Maybe I missed it but I'm surprised no one has posted a thread about this hilarious and yet relatable Netflix show.



Great writing, witty humour, solid cast and entertaining storytelling. I started it a while ago, but went back and finished it last weekend.

Anyone catch this one yet?
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I've just finished the 3rd season of Sex Education.

While it's British, this TV series feels American in its depiction of school life. Formally, it's quite a well-made series.

However, I have lots of issues with the way it presents certain topics and behaviors. If you are to believe this TV series is watched by teenagers (and it is) and that teenagers are misled by its title (they probably are), it's harder to pay no attention to Sex Education's harmful messages. It's even harder to pretend you do not see some god-awful plot developments and pathetic juvenile attempts at humor. People vomiting on each other, really?

I believe the crux of my issues with Sex Education lies in its name and intended audience. If it had a different title and was intended for grown-ups, I'd be much more likely to overlook its sins and pretend it's a to-the-wall satire on sexuality. As it is now, Sex Education is but another silly series made by Netflix. I'd love to believe teenagers will watch it and take only the good things from it, but I lost my belief in humans a long time ago. My mistake was that since I thought I was a certain way, then everybody else was, too. Nothing could be more wrong.
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I've just finished the 3rd season of Sex Education.

While it's British, this TV series feels American in its depiction of school life. Formally, it's quite a well-made series.

However, I have lots of issues with the way it presents certain topics and behaviors. If you are to believe this TV series is watched by teenagers (and it is) and that teenagers are misled by its title (they probably are), it's harder to pay no attention to Sex Education's harmful messages. It's even harder to pretend you do not see some god-awful plot developments and pathetic juvenile attempts at humor. People vomiting on each other, really?

I believe the crux of my issues with Sex Education lies in its name and intended audience. If it had a different title and was intended for grown-ups, I'd be much more likely to overlook its sins and pretend it's a to-the-wall satire on sexuality. As it is now, Sex Education is but another silly series made by Netflix. I'd love to believe teenagers will watch it and take only the good things from it, but I lost my belief in humans a long time ago. My mistake was that since I thought I was a certain way, then everybody else was, too. Nothing could be more wrong.
I so agree! About vomiting and the rest. Finding it increasingly disgusting (not in a good way) and annoying by the episode. I mean, a joke about leukaemia, seriously? And this is not Palahniuk, it’s not content with just being a satire - very self-serious most of the time about how supposedly enlightened and progressive today’s teenagers are.

Also, she really is a terrible mother, God knows. Absolutely 100 per cent agree on harmful messages. Will definitely finish the monstrosity, though, just to see how bad it gets. Already know all the spoilers, e.g.
WARNING: spoilers below
Adam and Erik getting together
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I've just finished the 3rd season of Sex Education.

While it's British, this TV series feels American in its depiction of school life. Formally, it's quite a well-made series.

However, I have lots of issues with the way it presents certain topics and behaviors. If you are to believe this TV series is watched by teenagers (and it is) and that teenagers are misled by its title (they probably are), it's harder to pay no attention to Sex Education's harmful messages. It's even harder to pretend you do not see some god-awful plot developments and pathetic juvenile attempts at humor. People vomiting on each other, really?

I believe the crux of my issues with Sex Education lies in its name and intended audience. If it had a different title and was intended for grown-ups, I'd be much more likely to overlook its sins and pretend it's a to-the-wall satire on sexuality. As it is now, Sex Education is but another silly series made by Netflix. I'd love to believe teenagers will watch it and take only the good things from it, but I lost my belief in humans a long time ago. My mistake was that since I thought I was a certain way, then everybody else was, too. Nothing could be more wrong.
What are you referring to specifically? I feel like this less harmful media than what I consumed as a teen, and what most others do
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Also, she really is a terrible mother
Ugh, she's bad, although I wouldn't call her terrible. But maybe my standards are pretty low. I think that she loves Otis and wants to do good but she's so overtaken by her own profession that she lets it permeate her own life, too. The entire "let's talk about it when you're ready" sounds like a sane approach at first but in the end, he never is ready and just keeps making mistakes. Otis is actually a strange character. In one episode he seems pretty knowledgeable and clear-thinking but in another, he does the dumbest thing ever. And he's constantly switching between these modes of an okayish teenager and a total moron.
Already know all the spoilers, eg
WARNING: spoilers below
Adam and Erik getting together
.
Must be in Season 4. I haven't seen that yet! That sounds like the worst idea ever, by any means of believable character development, even. EDIT: Good Lord!!! It says Adam!!! I thought it said Otis. Now THAT would be ludicrous!
What are you referring to specifically?
Total confusion of values. Sex first, then getting to know each other better / asking to go out.

1. They f*ck 1 time
2. They f*ck 20 more times
3. They decide that they will either go out with each other or they will break up
4. If they decide that they will be a couple, then after being together for a long time, they still do not know what interests the other person has, because all they do is f*ck xDDD

Of course, when it doesn't work in bed, they break up immediately and go to someone else - usually of the opposite sex and ethnicity than the previous partner. It's one thing to imply that sex is a certain part of relationship life but it's completely another thing to imply that it is the MOST IMPORTANT part of a relationship. Sure, the above pattern does not suit every character, but the patterns are quite clear. The main problem is with the show's confusing title and intended use for teenagers. If it was for adults and the title was different, it would be easier for me to swallow it and think that it is a super-exaggerated satire on sexuality.

Look at Erik, his behavior, and his approach to sex and relationships. Why did they break up with Rahim? Why did he break up with Adam after that? It's already a classic line for Erik to tell Adam that if he's not ready to go all out, it's over. Anyway, Ola and Otis are also a good example...

You can always say that they are doing wrong and a teenager is supposed to watch it and come to that conclusion, but I have long doubted humanity. Rather, these characters are presented as ideal models (they look good, are cool), so inevitably teenagers may strive to be like them.

Sex-based relationships are not something that someone who is 16 should do. At this age, if teenagers want something more than friendship, it is normal to learn to respect your SO, talk and understand your partner, take responsibility for your actions, and learn how not to hurt someone, how important faithfulness is. But of course, such topics are boring for "modern" teenagers, what can you do. : P

Sure, we ought to teach teenagers about contraception at this age, because although they should not, some will have sex. But teaching about contraception without teaching morality and relationships does not give much to teenagers. It is also worth teaching, for example, in the case of hetero couples about non-vaginal sex. Also, stop demonizing masturbation and blaming virginity as something one should be ashamed of.

Education is important, but the theoretical knowledge you acquire does not have to be put into practice right away. It is possible to build a healthy relationship by starting with sex, but it comes with so many potential problems along the way that it is better to consider relationships built on interests, a similar approach to life, and beliefs as default. If all three of these play well together, problems in bed will not be a reason to break the relationship. In the case of a relationship based only on sex, when there is no sex, nothing else remains.

Since teenagers do not really grasp the sexual sphere yet, it is easy for them to misunderstand and adopt erroneous patterns. I daresay porn and erotica are enough to discover yourself and your sexuality. That's what masturbation is for. If someone does not know their true nature or has hidden, for example, homosexual tendencies, then they should take advantage of good therapy, talk to a sexologist to get this nature out and start loving themselves, not to have sex left and right and "experiment". The problem, for example in Poland, is that such people may be afraid to come out, or even admit to themselves that they are like that. But casual sex with multiple partners is not a good option. The solution is reliable education.

A much bigger problem for a partner is an adult who can't talk, love, sympathize, or be faithful than an adult who just didn't fully discover their sexuality. Not to mention that masturbation should be the norm and a way to discover your sexuality, not a taboo. With an open mind (and love) on both sides, EVERY problem with sex can be solved. And if someone absolutely has to have sex in a certain way and the lack of this assurance is a deal-breaker for them, well ... it does not speak very well for such a person.

Real love, a relationship, a close relationship with another person is about giving that person yourself, sticking to them regardless of circumstances or life obstacles. Of course, there are some deal-breakers like cheating or marital rape. On the other hand, apart from such extreme examples (unfortunately, they happen), what is needed in a relationship is mainly understanding and openness to the other person. You enrich the other person and they enrich you. You look after them and they look after you. And only after establishing such a relationship, making sure that you have love, similar views, future plans, interests, attitudes towards life, etc., etc., can you make a decision about sex. You can go wrong. Both regarding sex and the above. It is possible to go to bed early without achieving the above goals. These ideal goals may never be achieved. It can be only love and understanding so that people with even different personalities and views can be together.

It is not about setting any artificial boundaries. For some, it takes 3 months to achieve the above, for others it takes 3 years. But it should never be a matter of 3 days or 3 hours. Because it is just impossible. If you are provided with the above, sex takes a back seat. It ceases to be a problem, even if it is an issue because people who love and understand each other will find a solution. Yes, this is extremely idealistic, and often the relationships are flawed, built differently. But we need ideals so that we can strive for them. Ideals are meant to be somewhere above our reach. Even if we don't reach them, by stretching our hand to reach them, we'll still ascend higher than if we never stretched our hand in the first place.

Sex Education says:
1. Have sex with whoever you want, this is a way of discovering yourself and what you want - utterly materialistic and hedonistic, there's little to no talk about any other layer of teenage or adult relationships. I'm like, wanna be promiscuous and be honest about it? Sure, go ahead! More power to you! Wait, you're 16? Where are your parents?
2. You can freely express yourself and be yourself no matter what others think - fair enough, but stop pretending everybody who wants to cumber you is a literal fascist (but the teacher character actually does blame tablets Mao-style LOL).
3. Casual sex is normal, having sex with people after you're intoxicated is normal, all-vomit parties are normal, parents not giving a damn are normal (since they pretty much do the same,
4. Many more but my rant is long enough already.



Ugh, she's bad, although I wouldn't call her terrible. But maybe my standards are pretty low. I think that she loves Otis and wants to do good but she's so overtaken by her own profession that she lets it permeate her own life, too. The entire "let's talk about it when you're ready" sounds like a sane approach at first but in the end, he never is ready and just keeps making mistakes. Otis is actually a strange character. In one episode he seems pretty knowledgeable and clear-thinking but in another, he does the dumbest thing ever. And he's constantly switching between these modes of an okayish teenager and a total moron.
I don’t think “talking” like that can ever be a useful/productive thing, full stop. I realise that’s what the show is about - “Let’s talk about sex, baby” - but my takeaway is “Erm, let’s maybe not.”

I don’t know how succinctly/coherently I can express this, but I believe the over-sexualisation is incredibly harmful. And I know what I’m taking about: I grew up in a household where, while no one was a sex therapist, sex was discussed super-frequently LONG before that was the trendy thing, we're talking decades. Anal being painful was discussed at dinner (no one was divorced, parents were together), walking around naked was totally cool, as was watching Tinto Brass on stay-in movie nights, measuring vaginal temperature as a way of predicting fertility windows was brought up in restaurants, and you know what, it was pretty offputting. Whether or not she loves him isn't super-relevant here imo. I think this sort of thing warrants the word "terrible".

It has, ironically, made me very conservative about such matters.

When she touches the sheets, it's not just about boundaries, she is also humiliating him. It is awful.

Jean is not quite on this end of the spectrum, I suppose, but I find the whole idea offputtingly “woke”. Also I strongly suspect that if anyone involved in making this show had actually grown up in an overly sexualised family environment, they would reconsider their stance, hell yes they would. It’s really no laughing matter.

*rant over*.

Must be in Season 4. I haven't seen that yet! That sounds like the worst idea ever, by any means of believable character development, even. EDIT: Good Lord!!! It says Adam!!! I thought it said Otis. Now THAT would be ludicrous!


Total confusion of values. Sex first, then getting to know each other better / asking to go out.

1. They f*ck 1 time
2. They f*ck 20 more times
3. They decide that they will either go out with each other or they will break up
4. If they decide that they will be a couple, then after being together for a long time, they still do not know what interests the other person has, because all they do is f*ck xDDD

Of course, when it doesn't work in bed, they break up immediately and go to someone else - usually of the opposite sex and ethnicity than the previous partner. It's one thing to imply that sex is a certain part of relationship life but it's completely another thing to imply that it is the MOST IMPORTANT part of a relationship. Sure, the above pattern does not suit every character, but the patterns are quite clear. The main problem is with the show's confusing title and intended use for teenagers. If it was for adults and the title was different, it would be easier for me to swallow it and think that it is a super-exaggerated satire on sexuality.

Look at Erik, his behavior, and his approach to sex and relationships. Why did they break up with Rahim? Why did he break up with Adam after that? It's already a classic line for Erik to tell Adam that if he's not ready to go all out, it's over. Anyway, Ola and Otis are also a good example...

You can always say that they are doing wrong and a teenager is supposed to watch it and come to that conclusion, but I have long doubted humanity. Rather, these characters are presented as ideal models (they look good, are cool), so inevitably teenagers may strive to be like them.

Sex-based relationships are not something that someone who is 16 should do. At this age, if teenagers want something more than friendship, it is normal to learn to respect your SO, talk and understand your partner, take responsibility for your actions, and learn how not to hurt someone, how important faithfulness is. But of course, such topics are boring for "modern" teenagers, what can you do. : P

Sure, we ought to teach teenagers about contraception at this age, because although they should not, some will have sex. But teaching about contraception without teaching morality and relationships does not give much to teenagers. It is also worth teaching, for example, in the case of hetero couples about non-vaginal sex. Also, stop demonizing masturbation and blaming virginity as something one should be ashamed of.

Education is important, but the theoretical knowledge you acquire does not have to be put into practice right away. It is possible to build a healthy relationship by starting with sex, but it comes with so many potential problems along the way that it is better to consider relationships built on interests, a similar approach to life, and beliefs as default. If all three of these play well together, problems in bed will not be a reason to break the relationship. In the case of a relationship based only on sex, when there is no sex, nothing else remains.

Since teenagers do not really grasp the sexual sphere yet, it is easy for them to misunderstand and adopt erroneous patterns. I daresay porn and erotica are enough to discover yourself and your sexuality. That's what masturbation is for. If someone does not know their true nature or has hidden, for example, homosexual tendencies, then they should take advantage of good therapy, talk to a sexologist to get this nature out and start loving themselves, not to have sex left and right and "experiment". The problem, for example in Poland, is that such people may be afraid to come out, or even admit to themselves that they are like that. But casual sex with multiple partners is not a good option. The solution is reliable education.

A much bigger problem for a partner is an adult who can't talk, love, sympathize, or be faithful than an adult who just didn't fully discover their sexuality. Not to mention that masturbation should be the norm and a way to discover your sexuality, not a taboo. With an open mind (and love) on both sides, EVERY problem with sex can be solved. And if someone absolutely has to have sex in a certain way and the lack of this assurance is a deal-breaker for them, well ... it does not speak very well for such a person.

Real love, a relationship, a close relationship with another person is about giving that person yourself, sticking to them regardless of circumstances or life obstacles. Of course, there are some deal-breakers like cheating or marital rape. On the other hand, apart from such extreme examples (unfortunately, they happen), what is needed in a relationship is mainly understanding and openness to the other person. You enrich the other person and they enrich you. You look after them and they look after you. And only after establishing such a relationship, making sure that you have love, similar views, future plans, interests, attitudes towards life, etc., etc., can you make a decision about sex. You can go wrong. Both regarding sex and the above. It is possible to go to bed early without achieving the above goals. These ideal goals may never be achieved. It can be only love and understanding so that people with even different personalities and views can be together.

It is not about setting any artificial boundaries. For some, it takes 3 months to achieve the above, for others it takes 3 years. But it should never be a matter of 3 days or 3 hours. Because it is just impossible. If you are provided with the above, sex takes a back seat. It ceases to be a problem, even if it is an issue because people who love and understand each other will find a solution. Yes, this is extremely idealistic, and often the relationships are flawed, built differently. But we need ideals so that we can strive for them. Ideals are meant to be somewhere above our reach. Even if we don't reach them, by stretching our hand to reach them, we'll still ascend higher than if we never stretched our hand in the first place.

Sex Education says:
1. Have sex with whoever you want, this is a way of discovering yourself and what you want - utterly materialistic and hedonistic, there's little to no talk about any other layer of teenage or adult relationships. I'm like, wanna be promiscuous and be honest about it? Sure, go ahead! More power to you! Wait, you're 16? Where are your parents?
2. You can freely express yourself and be yourself no matter what others think - fair enough, but stop pretending everybody who wants to cumber you is a literal fascist (but the teacher character actually does blame tablets Mao-style LOL).
3. Casual sex is normal, having sex with people after you're intoxicated is normal, all-vomit parties are normal, parents not giving a damn are normal (since they pretty much do the same,
4. Many more but my rant is long enough already.
Agree with every word of the above.



Setsuko Hara is my co-pilot
“Let’s talk about sex, baby” - but my takeaway is “Erm, let’s maybe not.”
Oh no, we definitely should talk about sex with children. But there's a lot to say about how we do it best. And, in my opinion, Sex Education is not doing a very good job at educating the youth. But hey, it has some good parts, like the part about reporting molestation.
watching Tinto Brass
Hey, what's wrong with that?! Good thing I'll never have kids. Otherwise, the little buggers would have to watch all these sick and depraved pinku eiga from Japan and Category III films from Hongkong with me.

I'm joking.I'M JUST JOKING, OKAY?!

It has, ironically, made me very conservative about such matters.
Very interesting! I might've totally confused you with somebody else, but aren't you an Asian woman? I always thought that the Asian traditional family is the last stand for conservatism in America (next to sister-loving rednecks, obviously). Oh, you're from London. I just assumed you're American. Sorry about that!

When she touches the sheets, it's not just about boundaries, she is also humiliating him. It is awful.
Agreed. She's overprotective but in all the bad ways! She's like, hey, you fapped LOL, let me wash the sheets, ahaha, YOU FAPPED. But when he done goofed big time during the party, she's like HUH NOT A PROBLEM but please always remember about anticonception. I mean, it's a nice show to analyze and criticize the wrong behavior of the characters, and again, it wouldn't be so terrible if it didn't have the sex education edge to it...

but I find the whole idea offputtingly “woke”
That's a problem with the latest output of Western culture as a whole. They just include these "woke" ideas and end up proud of themselves. But there's no follow-up whatsoever. There's no true progressiveness to most of it. Or real concern about social issues. It's just, hey, let's just spam them with these "woke" ideas and we're done. This approach is criticized by many, including some of the Left. It's really just a cinematic equivalent of slacktivism.



Oh no, we definitely should talk about sex with children. But there's a lot to say about how we do it best. And, in my opinion, Sex Education is not doing a very good job at educating the youth. But hey, it has some good parts, like the part about reporting molestation.
Of course, what I meant is that the way said talking is portrayed in Sex Education is not very encouraging. But oh well. I guess it’s the best we can get.

Hey, what's wrong with that?! Good thing I'll never have kids. Otherwise, the little buggers would have to watch all these sick and depraved pinku eiga from Japan and Category III films from Hongkong with me.

I'm joking.I'M JUST JOKING, OKAY?!
No, trust me, I love watching depraved films myself. But there’s a time and place etc. I remember liking the violent stuff (still love it), but the sex stuff sometimes get more tired. It was quite comical at times; everything involving penetration that shows up on TV would get my father interested, that always seemed slightly weird. Sees genitals on screen = gets interested/starts watching. I’m far more discerning even in hardcore erotica.

Never did like poor old Tinto. Maybe it’s PTSD.

Very interesting! I might've totally confused you with somebody else, but aren't you an Asian woman? I always thought that the Asian traditional family is the last stand for conservatism in America (next to sister-loving rednecks, obviously). Oh, you're from London. I just assumed you're American. Sorry about that!
Interesting indeed. I am extremely conservative, politically and socially, which is causing a lot of pain in my life, but alas, I am indeed British Caucasian with Slavic roots. Sorry to disappoint. I’m considering moving to the States, anyway. My brother lives there and he’s reasonably conservative… not as much as me, though.

Agreed. She's overprotective but in all the bad ways! She's like, hey, you fapped LOL, let me wash the sheets, ahaha, YOU FAPPED. But when he done goofed big time during the party, she's like HUH NOT A PROBLEM but please always remember about anticonception. I mean, it's a nice show to analyze and criticize the wrong behavior of the characters, and again, it wouldn't be so terrible if it didn't have the sex education edge to it...
Fully agree.

That's a problem with the latest output of Western culture as a whole. They just include these "woke" ideas and end up proud of themselves. But there's no follow-up whatsoever. There's no true progressiveness to most of it. Or real concern about social issues. It's just, hey, let's just spam them with these "woke" ideas and we're done. This approach is criticized by many, including some of the Left. It's really just a cinematic equivalent of slacktivism.
It’s true that there’s no “follow-up”, but what would a good follow up look in your view? I’m genuinely interested. I find that woke films shoot themselves in the foot because they don’t examine/question their ideas, just offer them on a silver platter.



Setsuko Hara is my co-pilot
Interesting indeed. I am extremely conservative, politically and socially, which is causing a lot of pain in my life, but alas, I am indeed British Caucasian with Slavic roots. Sorry to disappoint. I’m considering moving to the States, anyway. My brother lives there and he’s reasonably conservative… not as much as me, though.
Then, I obviously confused you with another MoFo. And no, not Miss Vicky or resopamenic. Somebody else!

For the record, I'm quite conservative when it comes to e.g., relationships, but I'd rather not use the word because here, in Poland, conservatism has a bad rap and is often associated with religiousness or homophobia. But yeah, the Left is associated with hardcore Communism so what can you do... Anyway, I'm pretty conservative when it comes to myself but quite progressive/lenient when it comes to others. But still, Sex Education kinda bothers me.

It’s true that there’s no “follow-up”, but what would a good follow up look in your view? I’m genuinely interested. I find that woke films shoot themselves in the foot because they don’t examine/question their ideas, just offer them on a silver platter.
That precisely. It'd be interesting if the films, once they decide to mention a topic, delved deeper into it and presented a comprehensive insight instead of a mandatory shout-out to please the crowd. Of course, Sex Education is slightly different since it talks about, well, the perceived sex education at large but I still opt for never separating sex and romance, or sex and morality/values.

I mean, we always risk being overly moralistic or idealistic, but I think there are not enough media about "true" love, agape, and there's an overabundance of the eros. Hey, eros is fun to watch, I get that. I like to watch that in "fun entertaining films, too". But if we're making a film or series on serious topics such as sex education, we're bound to talk not just about sex but also everything around it. And most modern films spit on the idea of true, deep love. Even if they do talk about the topic, they often fill it with cynicism or weird eye wink just to tell the viewer to not really take it seriously.

Call me traditional but I don't find dating "fun". I take it very seriously. I'm meeting a person to decide whether she is a good potential partner for me. Sure, having fun during the meeting is nice but the meeting itself is not "fun". It's serious. I dislike the idea that says, hey, it's just a meeting, take it easy, it's just for you to have fun, no strings attached, etc. Sure, it's a great mechanism for not feeling disappointed when it doesn't work, I get that. But it also instills this idea of a casual approach to dating, sex, and relationships, which in the end makes it hard for the person to really feel serious about the entire thing anymore.

And when you focus so much on sex and so little on everything else, it makes sex the number one priority. Sex Education does that. It's all about sex, sexting (the worst idea ever for teenagers if not for anyone), having sex. Sure, that's the bloody theme of the series, but it's just not right in this context. I'd f*ckin' love to see a series with a character who says no to a sex proposition, for whatever reason other than not finding the other person attractive. I'd love to see a series that talks about non-sexual problems in teenage relationships. I'd love to see "mature" teenage love that isn't just built on sexual attraction. I'd like to stop seeing people say that they're just teenagers and it's normal that sex is all they think about and wanna do at this age. I'd like Sex Education to talk about responsible parenting (even in dire situations, such as single parent or divorced parents). I'd like the self-pronounced Sex Education to actually be that. Good education. But hey, it's just a comedy series, take it easy. Just have fun with it. Same arguments as with dating... Hey, I'm a boring rainy guy so who cares.

Anyway, back to the question, some modern films find it justifiable to just have a short scene where a to-the-wall feminist or leftist thing is shouted at the viewer, to never really get back to it ever again, explore the statement, or expand on what has been said. That's the follow-up I mean. If you mention that patriarchy is destroying the modern woman, then continue with it, or what's best, make an entire film about it. But if you're making a film about something else, like superheroes, or gangsters, what's even the point of mentioning it? Let alone mentioning it in such an unsubtle in-your-face way. That's a non sequitur. But also a crowd-pleaser. Hey, they're woke because they mentioned that in one line! But guess what, the makers do not really give a flying damn about the topic, really.