Gladiator 2 trailer with RAP music 🤦

Wait for the third act, when Snoopius Doggius is triumphant over all!

For the record, I like a fair amount of rap music.

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Yes they do. He was born in 1966, the only day his mother ever missed a Bufallo Bills football game. That puts him in his 30’s.

Right. And I just thought of the real Wendy Balsam, who he went to school with.



Still, all the music was from the 70s.. It certainly wasn't aimed at an older audience.



So funny when she's "at: the funeral listening to the game. That might be the funniest movie, and I don't know if I can think of 5-10, despite watching about 3,000.

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More along the lines of insulant noise but each to their own 😄

The real Wendy is irrelevant in this. How would you b define older in this case? In the 90’s, I was a teen, so by this point it seems it was aimed at an older audience, likely in their 30’s considering his age in the movie

What is your definition of music and why does rap fall short of that?

Rap is good when it's good, just like any other genre of music. Using blanket statements to dismiss an entire genre's output of music is pretty stupid, as far as I'm concerned.

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At least Rakim would have spelled this correctly. But to each their own.


And, please, address my second comment. There were also no symphonic orchestras during the Roman Empire. Do you have a problem with them using that music?

The point I was making to Yoda that although it was a movie in 1998 (and other movies I pointed out), you only heard 70s music.

Right, most people listening to were at a young age and adding 20 some odd years to it makes people in their 30’s which seems to be the age range they were aiming at, right?

I find it questionable that it is even music. There is no harmony or melody there is just spoken rhythm. If you can't whistle it it's not real music

There is a lot of whistling in rap. Rakim & Erik B, for instance. You can 100% whistle a rap song.

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You do realize there is harmony and melody in rap, correct? It's not just listening to spoken dialogue and nothing else. Either way, music can be comprised of voices, instruments, computer generated sounds, etc. Music isn't some strict designation.

I watched the trailer after seeing this thread. It came off silly if indeed it's a film that's supposed to be taken seriously, and that's all people were talking about in the comments. I haven't cared for rap since I was a teen, but I would've felt the same way if it were Zep or the Stones.

There are all sorts of rap songs with harmony and melody. Tonnes. Maybe you shouldn't make it so clear you actually have zero idea what you are talking about right out of the gate. It doesn't help your argument.


Also, in instances where there actually isn't a melody or a harmony, why does this suddenly mean it is no longer music? Maybe you can dial a friend on this one (I presume it will be Ben Shapiro since you basically just cut and pasted his words as your own here). Ask that genius about why rap songs, which not only are rhythmic, but also have arrangements and form, utilize chord changes and have variations on timbre, and dynamics and tonality, not to mention lyrics which themselves are chosen for their musicality and cadences, why all of this is irrelevant without melody or harmony?


And what kind of preschool music theory are you citing when you claim you have to be able to whistle a song for it to be considered music. Can you whistle a classical Indian raga? Or, by mentioning this to you, have I just opened the door for you to also deny the musical traditions of other countries to be considered music because it's not the music you listen to (or let's put it bluntly, understand).


But sure, let's continue with this garbage about how certain musical forms aren't music because they don't align with your specific cultural designations. It's a tactic as old as shit, and it was just as pathetic when it was aimed at jazz and early rock and roll, and continues to sound just as ignorant when it's used to go after hip hop.

Without a definition of music, we can't rule anything in or out and the definition will be minefield. Go to narrow, and you can certainly exclude anything you want, but you will also exclude a lot of stuff that you like. Go wide and you're going to have a hard time showing that rap doesn't fit in the category.

Valorific definitions of art categories are bad. If you want to say, for example, that "X can only be a poem if it meets minimum standards of quality," then you can't have a "bad poem" because a bad poem won't meet those standards. And there is a lot of bad poetry out there, right? I don't like Reggaeton and Trance, but I prefer to count them as "music" so I can point to what I think is "bad music." I am utterly convinced the brand of jazz NPR stations are obsessed with playing is being piped in to the deepest bowels of Hell to enhance the torment of the damned, but I still recognize it as music.

Maybe there are few occasions but from what I've heard they're just aggressive nursery rhymes with an overdose of angst. Also aside from whether it's music or not alot of rap tends to glorify the criminal lifestyle.

I'm glad after your clearly extensive research into hip hop where you haven't been able to find a single song with any melody or harmony, that you're humble enough to admit that 'maybe there are a few' that do.

I hope everyone is listening to the expert here.

Exactly what about rap lyrics is making you immediately infantalize them as 'nursery rhymes'?

Nas writes nursery rhymes? Kendrick Lamar? Rakim? Guru? MF Doom? I'd wager just these ones I'm coming up off the top of my head could completely undress you in their command of the English language. But, ya, nursery rhymes.

So now you move from one generalization to another? It's not just that they aren't even making music, they're also criminals!!

It's nice you are blanketing all of hip hop by the lyrical content of one of its many sub genres. Never mind the huge swathe of socially conscious hip hop out there, it's just about glorifying crime.


And, speaking of which, does this concern over criminal minded lyrics extend to the long history of murder ballads in folk and country songs? Or do those get a pass? Or how about all those calls for violent rebellion and devil worship in rock and roll? Is that all that music is about? Are we capable of seeing past our biases here when it's not rap that we're talking about?

And how about movies that portray violence? Should the Godfather be considered less of a movie because it shows us the familial elements of organized crime? Is that movie nothing but glorification of violence, or can an artform present these elements and also simultaneously be commenting on them.

When NWA says "**** the Police", are they just aimlessly flipping the bird at law enforcement, or are they saying something more about how policing is done in these communities? Is it just "glorifying criminality"?

Who's listening to Kanye in 2024?

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I was going to try to join in the discussion, but since I just failed at trying to whistle along with extreme metal and various subgenres of electronic music, I am guessing the stuff I listen to won't qualify as music, either.

Bing Crosby and John Phillip Sousa, here I come!