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What did you guy's think of Logan? Besides you Iro, since apparently you actually liked it. I got quite a few good laughs out of it myself.


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I loved the part where his limo got hit by a train and managed to drive away on off-road terrain and escape despite his pursuers all having off-road vehicles. All I could visualize was the car being nearly totaled, having its suspension destroyed by that terrain, and them eventually catching up to him broken down in the desert.

Then it takes the same amount of time for him to get from his hotel room all the way down to the ground floor and through the casino as it takes for the cliche bad guy to get out of the back of his van.

What was up with the X-24 fight scene? The black guy comes back from the dead miraculously for a facepalm worthy deus ex machina. The Inception bass builds up, X-23 shrieks in the background, and right at the apex they cut to a completely flat neutral scene of them driving the next day. What horrible pacing and bad writing.

X-23 is mute for half the film and then suddenly spews out Spanish, giving the impression that they actually did something that makes sense by explaining her silence with her not being able to speak English. It turns out she spoke English the whole time. Where did she learn English, or how to fight when she was cooped up in a lab and was only ten or twelve? Did she actually learn English over the course of the film? Was she a genius? Did she change from an introvert to an extravert over the course of the film? It's so convoluted.

And his death at the end was such a long drawn-out melodramatic Hollywood death. I could not feel anything during that scene. And he ran on foot and caught up to trucks so far ahead he needed binoculars to see them because he was up on a mountain ten miles away.


Everything about it was stupid and cliche. People only call it a super hero deconstruction because it was rated R. But it was really just a bad rip off of Shane, a Western with laughably wooden acting. I think Logan was just a cheesy unintentionally funny sloppy mess of a film. These kinds of films are just Hollywood people doing hollywood things. I can't really take them seriously. I just watch them when I want a good laugh.



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Originally Posted by Iroquois
As opposed to you having started multiple threads centred around the exact same "blockbusters are vapid and useless" premise as this thread, which all turned out more or less the same as this one did? At least a "what are you eating" thread is benign in its intent, but a thread like this is the worst of both worlds - it provokes all sorts of responses but no serious discussions because, like I said before, people have had plenty of time and chances to make up their minds about this particular franchise and the odds of them changing through discussion in these threads are minimal (as your threads quite clearly prove). It's the same kind of inflexible responses that could fill a food thread, but with a pretense towards potentially meaningful discussion that doesn't (and quite possibly can't) eventuate as the thread goes on, which makes it much more susceptible to criticism as a result.

After all, it is pretty telling that the only significant exchanges in this thread so far have been less about people's opinions of the movies themselves and more about whether or not there's any point in this thread even existing. You want to defend people starting threads like this for the sake of personal catharsis but it's not like the threads you started made a difference either.
In all seriousness though, why are you here? Why are you making these kinds of arguments? It's not like the thread needs your approval or a moral reason to exist. No one cares if you think the food thread is better. If you think that was a bad example why ignore the point I was trying to make? Do you argue no matter what anyone says just to argue endlessly? You kind of proved my point by making such a long argument in such a pointless thread.



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09-05-17
I might as well ask you the same thing. At this point, it's clear that the longer this "pointless" argument goes on, the more it proves the point I've been contesting; this is especially true now that you've effectively acknowledged that this is a pointless thread (or close enough to it, anyway). If it doesn't need my approval, it doesn't need yours either (to say nothing of your cut-rate CinemaSins-style complaints about Logan - what's next, you're going to complain about how it's a plot hole that the dude in Stalker keeps worrying about traps but nobody ever falls into one?) This thread could've just faded back into obscurity, but no.



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09-05-17
I can't believe this thread is still going. Although, for the record, I've changed my opinion since 2014. I'm now more of the "cash cows yes, soulless no" opinion. The two Avengers movies still don't work for me but a lot of the others are really good and there is a certain attention to detail and character development that gives the films more of a soul.



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09-05-17
Again, (and I speak as a huge fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) it will fizzle out after the end of the Infinity Wars.

Every major film movement ends after about 10-20 years. Whether it is Film Noir, the Golden Age of Hollywood, New Hollywood, or the Golden Age of Action movies. Eventually they will end.



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09-05-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
Again, (and I speak as a huge fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe) it will fizzle out after the end of the Infinity Wars.

Every major film movement ends after about 10-20 years. Whether it is Film Noir, the Golden Age of Hollywood, New Hollywood, or the Golden Age of Action movies. Eventually they will end.
I think there's some storylines they can do, until they struggle to interweave the world's, there's no reason for it to fizzle out. Someone like Beta-Ray Bill would be tough to pull off now, but he's the kind of character that Feige could think "how do we get from here to there"




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09-06-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
Oh there a plenty of great stories they can do, but I think they won't be profitable after Infinity Wars
With a Captain Marvel and Black Panther trilogy to come, they still have a decade of profits



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09-06-17
I have had Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 for about a week now and have no desire to watch it.. Mostly because I can't remember what the first one was about except there was a tree.

what does me is how these super heros are all inter connected and unless you watch all of them you are going to be missing certain things and story developments, I would much rather see more original stand alone big action films that are built from the ground up, from a spark of imagination... not this... this reliance on whats already been done

Oh but it works... it keeps working so lets keep doing what work and makes money because surely nothing else could work. I am not a fanboy.



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09-06-17
FromBeyond, have you watched Valyrian? From a Hollywood blockbuster perspective it's not bad. It might be what you're after.

I also liked the Divergent series, Dred 3D, Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Day After Tomorrow, and Oblivion, to name some big budget action movies that were entertaining and didn't feel completely soulless.



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09-07-17
Originally Posted by Doolallyfrank
With a Captain Marvel and Black Panther trilogy to come, they still have a decade of profits
I am not 100% on that. It depends on how good the box office is for the first 2. Now the flicks I expect to be good or great. Kevin Feige has done a pretty awesome job with keeping the flicks pretty high quality all around. But even now I think it is not so much going to be a quality issue and eventually consumer fatigue will set in. We are seeing some of it now with lower returns for some of the more recent Marvel flicks. They are still raking in big bucks, but not as much as other works.

This is just my opinion, I could very well be wrong.



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09-07-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
I am not 100% on that. It depends on how good the box office is for the first 2. Now the flicks I expect to be good or great. Kevin Feige has done a pretty awesome job with keeping the flicks pretty high quality all around. But even now I think it is not so much going to be a quality issue and eventually consumer fatigue will set in. We are seeing some of it now with lower returns for some of the more recent Marvel flicks. They are still raking in big bucks, but not as much as other works.

This is just my opinion, I could very well be wrong.
Not every MCU film is gonna make Avengers money, but you're right, until one isn't profitable then it's kinda moot



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09-07-17
If the OP's post seems meaningless to Marvel fans then advising him to not watch the films is as much meaningless when he did not ask for any advice. But I can understand that being a fan often blinds us and we mistake "expressing" for "ranting".

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