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Halloween 2 is still better then Halloween III.
No, it isn't.

I think Halloween III is my favourite after the original.

Plus, it has this.



And that alone makes it better than the second film.
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I can understand that. I've never cared for Michael Myers, though. Even less than Jason and I don't find the Halloween films to be particulary too slashers, so I've never cared much for the series. The original, though, is brilliant.



I really like Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, even though it's not a perfect movie at all. I find it really dark and Michael is brutal in it. I do like Halloween II -- the problem is it's kind of boring at times. But Halloween, Halloween 5 and Halloween II are my top three favorites of the series.

Halloween 4 was the first one of those I ever saw. It would be a decade later before I would see the original. I liked 4 enough to the point where it made me go rent 5 back in 1993 (I remember this). And II used to play on TV a lot.

Come to think of it, I think I saw Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers before I even saw the original.



I'm with honeykid, after the original my favorite is the third one.

Sorry HK, but no Michael Myers no dice for me.
I really wish they stuck with the idea they had while making the third one, to have each new film be a different, unique story set on Halloween. The possibilities would be endless and we would probably still be seeing unique Halloween-themed entries every year or two. And it would be a great way for new writing and directing talent to get their break. You might have a dud every now and then, but you would also be getting some great horror movies. Just a massively wasted opportunity.



I'm glad they didn't go that direction because I hate nothing more than a bunch of... different anthology stories.

Like, if you're going to do that, just make them individual films and don't even slap the Halloween title on them.

They made two films about Michael Myers. Halloween was about Michael Myers. The family theme was interesting. Halloween 4 and Halloween 5 were both fun with the creation of Michael Myers' niece. Halloween 6 is where it all unraveled, though.



I love anthology type stuff. You would need a consistent outlet, I think. A studio constantly making Halloween-themed films might as well make it part of an ongoing series. A series called Halloween.
It's too TV-show like for me. Which I hate. I like sequels that continue from where the story left off, provided the sequels always do something new and interesting, at least somewhat. I am not enchanted with franchises that keep giving out new characters and new situations and new tales. Make your own separate movie, I say.

I would watch Halloween 67 with Michael Myers still alive, if only they made the movies good. The problem with these sequels and reboots and things is how they change things -- how the tone changes a lot. I mean, like, in Halloween 5, I feel that there's a tone there that I liked. It's different from the original Halloween, yes, but something about it still works. The problem is time changes and you get different kinds of characters and actors and situations and the material can weaken and dilute and just doesn't have the same kind of intensity.

I DESPISE Halloween: Resurrection. It was all wrong.

These movies get into new people's hands and then they mess them up. These directors sit back and say they're making something good, but they're really just making crap. It would be great to see a franchise go on forever while being directed and written by the same people, but things just never work out for the best.



I never said the Halloween sequels were done right. But who's to say Halloween sequels without Michael would have been any good? There's a reason why Halloween continued with Michaels -- Halloween III wasn't critically favored. And the fans wanted Michael back.

And they still do. There's, like, TEN of those movies now, with the possibility of more coming.



There's a greater possibility that there would be good entries, I think. Just by the mere fact that you have a new story, with new talent behind the scenes, there's a lot of potential there.
But make them separate films. Don't go all anthology and slap the Halloween title on them. I hate that kind of stuff. Of course Honeykid would like it because he liked the old Friday the 13th series that had nothing to do with Jason.

If Halloween had dropped Michael Myers after Part II, everyone would just be wishing they had made more Michael Myers sequels.



I'm done. Endless conversation. Life did not work out this way, K? We got Michael Myers movies instead of the separate "movies dealing with Halloween." My side won. Thank God.

Over!



But make them separate films. Don't go all anthology and slap the Halloween title on them.
But then you don't have a recognisable name brand. You can see the dilemma for the suits... Regardless of the Hollywood creative utopia that bouncingbrick thinks exists.

Of course Honeykid would like it because he liked the old Friday the 13th series that had nothing to do with Jason.
TBF, that series had nothing to do with the films at all. Not just Jason. It was about cursed objects.



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THE HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW
(Mark Rosman, 1983)

After a seemingly innocent prank goes horribly wrong,
a group of sorority sisters are picked off one by one in their sorority house
while throwing a party to celebrate their graduation


bishes are crazy. especially when they're of the sorority sort. the House on Sorority Row is about a group of house girls who want to throw a big blowout party at the end of the semester, and end up clashing with the house mom... and she's got issues. perhaps a bit of the mother complex, which goes back to Ed Gein and the real-life horrors of the 1950's.

Vicki is played by Eileen Davidson, the sexiest of the sorostitutes, she's the ring leader. she doesn't put up with bullsh!t. she knows when there's a problem, and she puts an end to it. she's out to save her skin. completely unaffected by morality. in a different movie, she may have had a better fate

Conclusion: here we go. a slasher that's pretty dammed ridiculous. released in 1983, which was the apex of the slasher craze when these kind of films earned over 60% of total Hollywood box office intake. it's time this happened. despite the humor, this one just seems more dated to me than the others so far. even tho Kate McNeil does an admirable job as our leading lady

Favorite Kill: Vicki and her friend in the graveyard

Rating:
+ 4.5 / 10



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FRIDAY THE 13TH:
THE FINAL CHAPTER

(Joseph Zito, 1984)



after being mortally wounded and taken to the morgue,
Jason Voorhees is resurrected and embarks on a killing spree
as he makes his way home to Crystal Lake


Crispin Glover is in this movie, the year before he was George McFly. his character's name is Jimmy. at the beginning, Jimmy and his friends are in the car on their way to the lake house. Jimmy's trying to figure out why his girlfriend dumped him. his friend Ted says maybe it's bc he's 'a dead f***,' a lousy lay, etc.. but what does Ted know?

you don't really get to see much of Jason until the end. the earlier kill scenes are fast and you don't really get a good look at the killer. maybe they were going for a 'show less of the killer' thing. which i always thought of as a technique for when the killer is a mystery. that's obviously not the case here, we all know it's Jason Voorhees. so we're spending most of the time with the characters. with Jimmy and Ted and the girls they're with. we also get to hang out with Tommy Jarvis (Corey Feldman), who seems to be really talented at making halloween masks

Conclusion: it's got fun effects, jokes, George McFly, buck naked girls, and it's fun to review. that doesn't necessarily add up to a masterpiece slash flick, but it's at least a fun one to watch.

Favorite Kill: wrapping spoilers here, as i wouldn't want to accidentally read this if i hadn't seen it yet:
WARNING: "the Final Chapter" spoilers below
there are several memorable kills. one of the better ones is when Jason takes down Crispin Glover, the apparent dead f***, fresh off his first successful lay. he goes downstairs to get his girl a bottle of whine, but then gets stabbed with the corkscrew and gets a knife to the face. well damm, Jimmy woulda been better off as a dead f****. the banana girl one is pretty good, as are a few of the axe kills. but none of them are better than when little Tommy disguises himself as young Jason Voorhees, then kills Jason with his machéte.
the Winner is Tommy Jarvis


Rating
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+ 6.5 / 10
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SAW
(James Wan, 2004)

with a dead body lying between them, two men wake up in the lair of a serial killer nicknamed "Jigsaw".
they must follow various rules and objectives
if they wish to survive and win the deadly game set for them


Saw is not a prototypical slasher, it's a bit darker stuff. yet it adheres to similar morality rules when it pertains to the killer and the victims, and is no doubt a sick bloody adventure. up til now all the entries have been child's play. while Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason, and the others are fun and have their scares, this one goes a bit deeper. if this thread is to achieve its objective, we're going here. as the bottom of the first post warned, if you get queasy, turn back. this is a sub-genre of slash, some call it splatter, others call it torture porn. not covering this to glorify the darker sides... but bc underneath all that, there may be something more there. a deeper truth

Saw was directed by James Wan and was shot in just 18 days. our killer is Jigsaw. he sets up games, and his victims are not chosen arbitrarily. they've done things of a highly questionable nature. does that deserve punishment? an interesting query. meet Dr Gordon, played by Cary Elwes, he's our lead character. he has a lifeless relationship with his family, he cheats on his wife. he's consumed with his work as a surgeon and doesn't appreciate what he has. he is being held captive in an abandoned restroom along with a photographer named Adam. if you can get through the ruthless nature of this film, there is something there, underneath. nobody's perfect if they're being honest with themselves in their personal lives. and Jigsaw knows it. he's a freaky intriguing character & a sick dude, he admits it. his twisted games get to the root of his victim's issues. and if they're legit enough to survive, they end up coming out saying he helped them. it's twisted stuff

Conclusion: are the darker sides of Saw redeemed by its message? the answer for many will be no. however there are complexities of life here. i saw this in theaters with a group of friends in 2004 when i was in high school, but it needed a rewatch before i could review it. won't exalt the brutal images and ideas we see, yet that doesn't mean there won't be something to get out of this. it's not mindless gore, but calculated and intricate plotlines... that twist. in some ways, this reminds me of the Exorcist. it disturbs, even tho its phenomenon is not built entirely on shock value. there's more... beneath the surface

Favorite Kill: the other entries before this can be treated in a light-hearted manner in this regard, but this film handles its bloodshed on a more visceral level. don't have a favorite kill here, not going there in this case

Rating:
+ 6.5 / 10



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I don't think I've seen Saw since it came out, but I liked it. I quite liked Saw II as well, but I've not seen any of the others and torture porn doesn't interest me.

I will say I think there's a difference between torture porn and a splatter film, though. I know they seem to be squished together now (and maybe it's just that I knew of splatter films before the torture porn stuff started) by I think that there's a meaness about torture porn, whereas splatter has a sense of fun, though they're both firmly in the exploitation genre.

If you're including splatter films, then I'd like to put forward Blood Feast and Two Thousand Maniacs, from the father of the Splatter, Herschell Gordon Lewis. Maybe Color Me Red, as well, if only to finish the 'trilogy'.