Rioting in the U.S.

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My previous post: I watched the news clip a little more closely and if I may try to interpret - it sounds like the two protesters were trying to say (at the time) that unless Chauvin was prosecuted immediately, then in all fairness, another killer cop (Mohamad Noor) should be released.

At least I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that that's what they were trying to say - they wanted the same speed of justice in the George Floyd case. But if I recall, the cases were similar in that I don't believe Noor was arrested immediately either.

The irony can't be ignored though: a white woman was murdered by a black cop for no reason: the police weren't responding to arrest her, they were responding to her call for help (she heard a sexual assault occurring), she had no record. She was unarmed and a person who, by all accounts, had a very warm, welcoming and peaceful demeanor who was dressed in her bed clothes (hardly a threatening figure).

She was wearing her pajamas as she approached the car greeting them... and the cop pulled out his gun and shot her point blank in the stomach through the window of the police car.

No warning. No "stop where you are" or "freeze!" (because she most likely would have complied with such orders as she was a good and law-abiding person).

What on earth could his excuse have been?

In a sexual assault situation the victim is usually a woman - so the cops would have been expecting a woman seeking help. People who call the police from their homes are usually on the scene to greet them to provide a report of why they called (every time I've ever called the cops, I was there on the scene to greet them), or are seeking protection by the police from whatever the threat might be. Cops are used to the people who call them often being on the scene to greet them.


But no protests, no riots, no buildings burned, no assaults & murders of more innocent people committed as some kind of cry for "Justice for Justine!". The entire incident was quickly swept under the rug and virtually forgotten about by the media and the public.



This is kind of relevant as well. For some reason, this didn't cause multiple deaths and days of rioting worldwide.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...-timpa-s-life/


This is the height of hypocrisy:
https://districtherald.com/rioters-c...-freed-on-cnn/
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2...el-greenfield/

Protesters have been calling for justice and demonstrating against racial injustice & police brutality - but here it seems some protesters who are part of the same movement want a killer cop freed who killed a completely innocent person (the very person who called 911 for help) for absolutely no reason at all. And I can't seem to figure out any reason they'd want him freed except that the cop was black and the victim he murdered was white.

And ironically, this also occurred in Minneapolis!


After reading those news links I say: All Lives Matter (including white people), It's hypocrisy and self serving agenda to declare that only black lives matter, when it's clear that people of all races have died during arrest by police.

This whole thing makes me sick. I watched some TV news today at my parents house and I feel like America is heading backwards. Some black community leaders want the police forces to be disbanded. Disbanded? talk about all hell breaking loose if that happened. And the talk of Defunding is just plain ridiculous and yet it's going to happen to appease the protesters. Condemning the officers in the George Floyd case is one thing, but declaring the entire police force the enemy is quite another.




This whole thing makes me sick. I watched some TV news today at my parents house and I feel like America is heading backwards. Some black community leaders want the police forces to be disbanded. Disbanded? talk about all hell breaking loose if that happened. And the talk of Defunding is just plain ridiculous and yet it's going to happen to appease the protesters. Condemning the officers in the George Floyd case is one thing, but declaring the entire police force the enemy is quite another.
Lol I wonder which neighborhoods are going suffer without police? The rich ones who can hire their own security and have gates or the poor ones? Also if we disband police you better believe the 2A argument is over, I don't even like guns but I'd be getting one. I am all for police reform and law reform. I am white and feel paranoid rather then protected when I see a cop. Can't imagine what minorities feel like. But if you look at the numbers police killings are not a major issue.

This whole thing is being spun by the media as a race war/problem. I think if Trump wasn't in office there would be uproar but not as bad. I think the problem is a lot more nuanced. I think it's more about class then race and the lower class are more disproportionally black.

The Drew Brees thing is ridiculous. If you have to drag Drew Brees who is obviously not racist and probably has done more for the City Of New Orleans then almost anyone. (a predominantly black population). Drew Brees is not the problem and its painful obvious. You are allowed to dislike someone kneeing during the anthem just as they are allowed to knee. And for them to say it's not about the flag and anthem is seriously disingenuous to me. It's a free country, kneel, but there is a reason Kaep kneeled during the national anthem and not any other time during the game. The flag you dummies.

Anyways at this rate I expect Kaepernick to be Biden's running mate.
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The only thing about Drew Brees that bothered me was he felt compelled by Political Correctness & peer pressure to apologize when he'd said absolutely nothing wrong. I don't know much about him, but my respect for him dropped a notch.

I would have preferred if he'd said something like...

"I'm sorry if some people choose to be offended by what I said, but that is their choice. I expressed my honest opinion over a controversial issue that has caused a lot of pain to people who feel that disrespecting the flag & national anthem is disrespecting the freedoms those things represent and the many who gave their lives to ensure those freedoms, including the freedom to express one's feelings and to protest. If some people want to read things into what I said that were never spoken or inferred, that's their problem if they choose to engage in trying to slander my words. I said nothing intended to be offensive nor did I express any sentiments that would offend any rational person who was not looking for something to be offended by, thus I stand by what I said."



I did not have a problem with what Drew Brees said, or the fact that he turned around and apologized. His original statement was bad timing, something Trump would do. That was a clear mistake and not well thought out. He talked about when other people disrespect the flag and that's what got him in trouble. In the minds of the players who do it, they are not disrespecting the flag so it comes off as criticism when it's an important and emotional issue for them. It was unintentionally insensitive. Some of the backlash he received was uncalled for and over the top. The guy with what he's done off the field is practically a real life hero. Plus we want a country where people want to be able to voice their honest feelings. There needs to be more understanding on each side. But then you see how some current and former NFL players reacted, grown men who are tough as nails and they're in tears, so he apologized. Sometimes it's more important to be compassionate than right.

As far as the all lives matter thing, I've heard some black people say that they take that as minimizing what they're going through, and no lives matter unless black lives matter, etc. I don't think people who say all lives matter are looking at it in that way. There's a tricky line there because we all know that if there were a white lives matter group they would be looked at as skinheads. I think it's for the best to not make things about race, but when a black person sees another black person getting killed, they internalize it and see themselves or their son or father. Why wouldn't they when the media and many others are saying the reason it's happening is because they're black. Being black is part of the reason but who's fault is that? There are many people in the black community who blame their peers for the crime they commit. If you identify as part of a group, what someone else in that group does influences how you are looked at. There's no way around that and there's no easy answers. On the other hand when a white person sees anybody of any color get killed by police, they simply say that I'm not going to do what they did.



Minneapolis Votes To Disband Police Department
news link

As unbelievable as it might sound the Minneapolis city council voted 4 hours ago to disband the Minneapolis police. The council backed up by the mayor have a veto proof vote.

"City Council members have said they will invest in community-led safety initiatives instead of the police department."

No more police in Minneapolis, what's going to happen there now?





Wait a minute what does that actually mean? You can't not have police.
Our local newspapers are saying this just means transferring the police duty to some other department. It's apparently done before (according to them during this century in Camden, New Jersey, and Compton, California). So, to me, it looks more like a political trick than anything else (police is dead, long live the police).
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Yeah, the pat response I'm hearing is "well, we'll just put all that into community programs and mental health programs and people won't want to commit crimes!" Which is hopelessly naive. Obviously investments in these things could significantly reduce crime, but the idea that it's going to eradicate it (or get it so low that you don't really need police) is patently absurd.

Even if you subscribe to this totally utopian view of the power of social programs, that's the kind of thing that manifests in years or decades, not next week, so disbanding the police force to do it, rather than after you have, doesn't make sense.

There have been experiments like this, and they can be absolute disasters. They tried it in Canada in the late 60s and six banks were robbed on the first day.

I hope/expect that this is just a big, bold dramatic headline action to stem the demands for awhile, but that in the longer-term, yeah, it'll just be a very strong-sounding way of reforming the force.



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The documentary "LA 92" on Netflix is really good, documenting the Rodney King incident and fallout. Mirrors very closely what's happening today.
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Do you have a link that supports this?
He's holding a Police helmet in the clip, but then again there appears to be another clip shown a day or 2 later with the man doing the same again approaching the Riot Police at another location. So perhaps the mayor was right and this guy was an agitator looking to provoke Police.

If all that is true you still don't have to shove a 75 year old man aggressively, throw a little of that passive aggression back at him and simply walk past him.



⬆️ I agree. Both sides were wrong. If I were that man I would not have approached them like he did. There’s a time & a place for being a hero.



If all that is true you still don't have to shove a 75 year old man aggressively, throw a little of that passive aggression back at him and simply walk past him.
Some sources are saying he's attempting to scan/skim the police coms. I don't know anything about that sort of technical stuff, so no idea if it's true. If it is though, then I'd say the shove was completely justified. I don't feel sorry for the old man.



Some sources are saying he's attempting to scan/skim the police coms.
I don’t even know what this means.



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Some sources are saying he's attempting to scan/skim the police coms. I don't know anything about that sort of technical stuff, so no idea if it's true. If it is though, then I'd say the shove was completely justified. I don't feel sorry for the old man.
Lots of severe head injuries are the result of a fall, people that die to a punch often do so because they fall and hit their head, so no I'd say it isn't justified in the slightest, there are other ways to go, arrest him, escort him away? Show a little bit of professionalism, restraint and thinking on your feet.

This guy was not a threat, was an old man, and shoving him backwards led to serious injury that could have been a lot worse.

It isn't the point at all that the man was up to no good, or whether or not George Floyd for example was resisting arrest whilst intoxicated, being extremely difficult, the point is Police far exceeding what they are or should be allowed to do in many instances both recently and over the years, and lack of consequences when they cross the line.




This is the current police chief of Minneapolis police department, Chief Medaria Arradondo. He was made chief of the police department in 2017. Why didn't he ban the use of knee choke holds like so many other police departments had already done? He's ultimately responsible for the officers under his authority.

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