For fans of heavy R rated films

I’m confused by this thread, so much so that I can’t always tell who is being sarcastic. Since when is being misanthropic transgressive?

I would have agreed last year when I genuinely thought having was next to illegal and definitely problematic from the regulatory POV, which I read at some point in a legitimate enough source. But @pahaK rightly showered me with ridicule, so perhaps this is a myth.

Anybody seen Gaspar Noe's 'I Stand Alone' ?

Or the French extremity film 'Martyrs'? There's a few of those 'Inside' is quite heavy on the r rating but not a great film. As for sexual scenes there's always 'Stranger by the Lake' to whet your appetite. Don't watch it with your parents though.

Exactly. I so agree with you on all of the above. The New French Extremity offerings are very rarely great films.

In terms of centuries, yeah, I guess human sacrifice and slavery are also pretty recent taboos too. In the few million years of early hominids, it's been 'fairly recently' (a couple hundred thousand years) when people began to disregard their feces.

Mmm, I think it's more the pedophilia thing. Also as old as the world, like a lot of degenerate human behavior.

I think it's a good question. Ostensibly the thread is to promote A Good Lawyer's Wife (and, not to be misunderstood, I do appreciate the head's up, Doc).

But since I find the thread title a little misleading, maybe it's worth defining exactly what it is that we consider to be a "heavy R" type of movie. Personally, I wouldn't consider the kind of specifically sexual content described in the film in question (adultery, voyeurism, graphic orgasm) as qualifying. I think in terms of compelling a restriction ('R', by definition) on the audience, this kind of sexual provocation is pretty tame. For me, I would consider "heavy R" as something that involves the kind of challenging and unsettling material that is not only unsuitable for children, but maybe a wider adult swath of psychologically and emotionally sensitive viewers. Issues like child abuse, animal cruelty and casual sadism are far more incendiary than graphic sex in and of itself. Antichrist is a heavier R than, say, Short Bus, not solely because of its sexual content but because of the tone of its particularly disturbing sexual context.

So I think it's helpful to define what entails such a heavy-R type of film, which no doubt will be subjective to many people's sensitivities and proclivities. I'm not exactly a prude about most things, but sexual abuse and sadism, especially when gratuitous, is an area for me where I get a little squeamy. For others, maybe it would be miscegenation in advertising. I don't know. We all have our taboos, I guess.

So I watched the movie, and I have a weird critque. Why is it that whenever I watch sex scenes in South Korean movies, they always act like they are virgins doing it for the first time? Is that a South Korean thing in culture? Weird observation, but couldn't help it.

It's the onscreen depiction that's the taboo.*Even Wild Beasts, directed by Franco Prosperi, one of the OGs of mondo movies, shies away from such depictions after setting it up in the story. When that guy, who cut his teeth in a genre where showing offensive things is the point, is afraid to show something on camera, it's safe to call it a taboo.

You’ve said this before. I distinctly remember. The obvious answer is that this is what is seen as arousing in South Korea, maybe because these women can be ‘taught’. Makes perfect sense to me. A mirror question would be why American/western teenagers in western films are depicted as being super-skilled at giving blowjobs, when in reality, that’s a messy affair and takes a lot of practice? It’s about what is seen as sexy in different cultures.

A very good point, that.

I didn't think that the teenagers were actually skilled, but the people receiving the sex, just gave them too much credit in Western culture, because they wanted the sex so bad. But that was just what I thought.

That’s actually not too bad a point. Anyway, I stand by my view re: South Korean cinema & the depiction of sex.

Oh okay, so South Koreans find it arousing, the idea of a woman being taught, and that's the arousal for them?

But it's just, the guys act like they are inexperienced as well in South Korean sex scenes, so I didn't think they were teaching the woman anything therefore, and they are both on the same level, unless I am wrong.

Even so, not to delve into the merits of what you’re suggesting, I think they all find the scenario of ‘inexperience’ arousing.

Oh okay. I can see it being arousing if one of them is inexperienced and the other one has to be the teacher, so to speak. But if both are inexperienced, then it's kind of odd and meh, to me.

Well as far as movies go with graphic sex scenes, are there any that are good? I mean I watched movies with graphic sex scenes like Basic Instinct, Body of Evidence, or In The Cut, but they all suck, and it seems that directors who know how to direct sex scenes, just don't know how to do a good story with them. Unless there are any god ones out there I missed?

First you gotta define what makes a sex scene good in your eyes. Is it well-shot, titillating, well-fitting the film?

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Look, I'm not judging you - after all, I'm posting here myself, but maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time here and more time watching films, maybe, and I stress, maybe your taste would be of some value. Just a thought, ya know.

Well, there is the scene unto itself which is just basically rated in terms of arousal points. Answering this question says more about one's sexual fetishes than anything else.

In terms of the story, I am hard pressed to think of a typical film where I've seen a sex scene and thought, "Yeah, I needed to see that. That really forwarded the story. You couldn't really tell this story without this scene." That is, of course, unless the film is centered on sexual encounters (e.g, 9 1/2 Weeks).

In the vast majority of cases that scene is included as a gratuity. In an era of free internet porn, I don't get why we need this sort of thing (apart from the particular curiousity of "What do Halle Berry's boobs really look like?"). Consider that most movies do not show us an actress or actor taking a long dump on the toilet.