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Originally Posted by Stirchley

Can’t remember if I’ve seen The Handmaiden (would have to look it up), but a rather good movie (that maybe a lot of people don’t like) is the Chinese movie Lust, Caution. I recently re-watched it & thought it quite erotic. And it’s an excellent storyline.
Ooh, I really need to watch that. Has been on my list for ages.



I don’t think men have to protect us, but they do need to respect us & we need to respect them.
I use the term "protect" in means of "respect" and not as a demeaning connotation. When I'm dating a woman, I'm not "protecting" her from herself or the outside world, etc. That's not what I meant by that. I meant "protect" as in "valuing" her. If I'm to marry a woman, I need to "protect/value" her as we hope to become one unit as I'd "protect/value" my children. And it's not just one way. She needs to "protect/value" me too when I'm weak. Part of a relationship is becoming one and being there for each other.
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What if the took the power dynamic in erotica but put a revenge angle on it, so that the person blackmailing someone for sex, is actually a very bad person and the audience is not meant to sympathize with them at all?

Would this make for a better erotica fantasy movie, because you are not sympathizing with the person being sexually blackmailed, and it's the blackmailee who is the villain, and the sexual blackmailer is the antihero, getting revenge on the villain, so to speak?

Would this be better as far as power dynamic in erotica goes, because you remove all sympathy from the blackmailee and make them a bad villain?



Yeah it seems that no one likes big breasts anymore in movies, because people say it's sexually exploiting women.
Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Lawrence would seem to suggest otherwise.

Exploitation has to do with how you show a body, not the body itself.

It might be true that it's no longer as much of a "requirement" for a female lead to be well-endowed, but we can probably all agree that people not having to get plastic surgery to be cast in films is a good thing, right? Thus you're going to get variation because female bodies have a lot of variation.

why is this movie doing so well, compared to Parasite for example?
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Are they making an exception because it's erotica?
Yes.

I mean, let's be real. In a movie like this do you even need to read the subtitles?

I don't know why some women find things like this and the 50 Shades thing attractive...
The world is full of a range of sexual preferences. Why are so many men willing to pay women to dominate them? Power differentials are at the heart of a lot of fantasies.

There are also those extreme cases where convicted serial killers like Ted Bundy get a following after they've been found guilty of killing women that fit enamored women's physical bill... doesn't make much sense to me... but what do I know. Call me old fashioned, but aren't men supposed to protect and honor women? Not brutalize and defame them?
While I'm not a huge fan of films like this (or, like I said, of a kidnap/abuse dynamic as romance) there's a big difference between indulging in a fiction/fantasy portrayal and actually, like, trying to marry a real serial killer.

Also, from what I've gathered, most women who go for real life killers aren't attracted to the killer part. They are either: 1) suffering from "injured puppy" syndrome and want to help the guy, 2) convinced that the person must be innocent and want to help save them or 3) drawn to a relationship where they are "safe" because they are entirely in control (ie they control when they see each other; phone calls; etc).

I don't think that most women who watch movies like this would actually ever want to be abducted or threatened. Films are a safe way to explore such extreme experiences because the viewer is in control. If it gets too scary or too intense or it isn't what you wanted, you just stop the movie. I enjoyed Guns Akimbo but that doesn't mean I actually want to be chased by murderers or have guns bolted to my hands. Movies don't always reveal what we "really" or "secretly" want.



Ooh, I really need to watch that. Has been on my list for ages.
I was a little disappointed in Lust, Caution. I would still recommend it, but it didn't quite live up to my expectations given the director and lead actors.



I was a little disappointed in Lust, Caution. I would still recommend it, but it didn't quite live up to my expectations given the director and lead actors.
Fair enough. I don’t dig most erotic/romantic thrillers, but I always hope to find something good.



What if the took the power dynamic in erotica but put a revenge angle on it, so that the person blackmailing someone for sex, is actually a very bad person and the audience is not meant to sympathize with them at all?

Would this make for a better erotica fantasy movie, because you are not sympathizing with the person being sexually blackmailed, and it's the blackmailee who is the villain, and the sexual blackmailer is the antihero, getting revenge on the villain, so to speak?

Would this be better as far as power dynamic in erotica goes, because you remove all sympathy from the blackmailee and make them a bad villain?
I don’t fully understand this, but given where society is going, you’d be expected to sympathise with the person being blackmailed/kidnapped just by virtue of them being ‘mistreated’. That’s how empathy works. Although I don’t know. You have the revenge angle in The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo where
WARNING: spoilers below
Lisbeth rapes Bjurman after he has forced her to perform oral sex on him
, I don’t think that makes you sympathise with Bjurman.



Fair enough. I don’t dig most erotic/romantic thrillers, but I always hope to find something good.
To me, the emphasis was more on the "thriller" than the "erotic." I think that aspect gets more attention because the film is graphic when it comes to those parts.

A big part of my frustration was how the final act played out, and I won't get any more specific than that so as to avoid spoilers.



To me, the emphasis was more on the "thriller" than the "erotic." I think that aspect gets more attention because the film is graphic when it comes to those parts.

A big part of my frustration was how the final act played out, and I won't get any more specific than that so as to avoid spoilers.
Alright, now I’m intrigued.



Alright, now I’m intrigued.


As always I'll be interested in your thoughts if you do check it out.

EDIT: Also, LOL, like 9 posts in a thread about a movie I (1) haven't seen and (2) don't plan to see. Can you tell I'm avoiding work?



However, even if people are trapped in their homes because of these covid times, why is this movie doing so well, compared to Parasite for example? I couldn't get anyone I know to watch Parasite, because people do not want to watch a movie in a foreign language, and now all my female friends I know are watching this foreign language movie and giving it a chance.
Are they making an exception because it's erotica?
I think Parasite requires you to work your mind a little harder, whereas 365 Dni is something you could easily cook to. But I agree that the foreign language is an impediment. Honestly, though, you really can’t compare. I have family members who after a long day at work say they want to watch ‘something’ to unwind. They don’t want to think about it or be emotionally invested. I imagine 365 Dni is precisely that sort of thing, with the added bonus of getting some people excited.





EDIT: Also, LOL, like 9 posts in a thread about a movie I (1) haven't seen and (2) don't plan to see. Can you tell I'm avoiding work?
What a gif!

As always I'll be interested in your thoughts if you do check it out.
I’ll let you know ASAP.

And yes, good point. I try my best not to do that, but I think here it’s excusable. Not everyone has the stamina to watch/finish something like this and that’s okay. Time is precious and there are too many gorgeous films out there. I watched it after a long day, but once I was twenty minutes in, I was more or less mesmerised by its awfulness. And I won’t lie, I was hoping for a bit more blood/gore. But apparently the ‘best’ parts have been uploaded to Pornhub.



Not everyone has the stamina to watch/finish something like this and that’s okay. Time is precious and there are too many gorgeous films out there. I watched it after a long day, but once I was twenty minutes in, I was more or less mesmerised by its awfulness. And I won’t lie, I was hoping for a bit more blood/gore. But apparently the ‘best’ parts have been uploaded to Pornhub.
I guess the only good thing I've heard about it (and even this is mixed) is from people who genuinely liked the sex content. And since the whole situation of it isn't something I'd find appealing . . .

It also doesn't exactly sound like the kind of movie I like in a "so bad it's good" way (but I totally get what you're saying about getting hooked in by a film's awfulness). It's not the content that scares me. I've seen films with graphic sex and violence. But the storyline itself doesn't sound that intriguing to me.

I do think that it's funny that it is both very popular right now AND on the IMDb's 100 Worst Rated Films list.

We might all be witnessing the birth of a new cult classic.



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I don’t fully understand this, but given where society is going, you’d be expected to sympathise with the person being blackmailed/kidnapped just by virtue of them being ‘mistreated’. That’s how empathy works. Although I don’t know. You have the revenge angle in The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo where
WARNING: spoilers below
Lisbeth rapes Bjurman after he has forced her to perform oral sex on him
, I don’t think that makes you sympathise with Bjurman.
Yeah I see what you mean there. However, in these porn stories, the person being blackmailed, or in this case, kidnapped as well, seem to fall for the guy, so can we really feel that sorry for them if they fall for the guy and are turned on in after, and have no complaints in the end?



Yeah I see what you mean there. However, in these porn stories, the person being blackmailed, or in this case, kidnapped as well, seem to fall for the guy, so can we really feel that sorry for them if they fall for the guy and are turned on in the end?
I don’t think that is what these half-baked narratives aim to achieve. Why would we feel sorry for either of them? They end up together, for what it’s worth. I felt sorry for myself for having watched it.



Sorry if I'm rude but I'm right
Aah, finally someone made a thread about it. I haven't seen it myself, but obviously this is a god-awful film, and I don't even have to watch it to know this.

The director of the film, Barbara Białowąs, is an already legendary figure known for her obnoxious film Big Love, and even more so by the cult, incriminating debate she had with a movie critic who had dared to criticize her film. It's an absolute shame the discussion is not subtitled in English because some of her quotes became cult in Polish film circles. Here's the first part of the discussion:



At first, she asks why the film criticism in Poland is so poor, and how is it possible that such unprofessional, unreliable, incompetent reviews are allowed to be published. Then she asks the critic an inane question of what music she used in her film, and continues with some other points I'm too lazy to describe. Later on, she calls the job of a movie critic a profession of public trust, and that a film critic cannot exist without a film director. She claims that a reliable film critic should watch a film twice or even three times, and think about the convention of the film, then calls him out on allegedly not getting the convention.



The second part, and even if you can't understand a word she's saying, you can sense she's really pissed off. And then comes the legendary quote "Słowa, słowa, słowa" which means "Words, words, words". With it, she means to say that the reviewer only uses words without any thought put into them to make a half-baked review. She keeps saying the reviewer didn't get the convention of the film, so she is asked what the convention is, and replies she's arguing and polemicizing with other movies. She claims she's a post-modernism director, because you cannot not be nowadays. Then she lists the quotes she used in her film, that is the scenes she stole, e.g. from Vivre sa vie, Jules and Jim. The critic points out that quoting other films is pointless if there is nothing that stands behind it. Then she reads a fragment of his review and points out that if he called her film "a monster from a wardrobe" it means he actually meant to call her a monster, and then once again mentions he's supposedly deaf to her arguments. What a classic! And another classic from a sharp exchange of views:

- the interpretation went in the wrong direction...
- this sentence is an oxymoron
- why?
- (are you suggesting that) there is one truth and you have it in your hand?
- we're not talking about the truth
- about what, then?
- about facts

Thank you for making me rewatch this legendary discussion!


Funnily enough, given how many people absolutely hated 365 Days, it's quite shocking how well it sold in cinemas. Obviously, it's pretty sad, too. I guess the entire chav population took their chavettes to watch a "hot romantic movie", or something. Or maybe I overestimate the taste of an average moviegoer.
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You know what's weird is that this movie as well as Fifty Shades of Grey, are both directed by female directors, and they are both based off novels, written by female authors. Comparisons were made to Twilight, also a book series by a female author.

So it seems that women writers and filmmakers are perhaps more interested in this type of genre, yet all three of these works are criticized for having weak female protagonists in.



Sorry if I'm rude but I'm right
all three of these works are criticized for having weak female protagonists in.
They cater to the submissive desires of (some part of) the female populace, and therefore are a part of the sexualized fantasy. It's ludicrous to accuse films like 50 Shades of Gray of having weak female protagonists when it's obviously the very point. They're directed to that specific demographic of women fantasizing about being docile in the arms of a strong and dangerous (but excitingly dangerous) man. This is the realm of fantasy, even if it's more mental than physical.

It's only fitting they are written and directed by females. A male BDSM fantasy would be different, even if it was a gay or femdom one.



We've been fighting against it for a long time. We will be fighting against it for even longer. But I want you to know that this isn't what love looks like. This isn't what a healthy, exciting, erotic relationship looks like. This is dangerous, this is toxic, this will damage impressionable youth for years.
Wow, long review from whoever this was. To say this movie will “damage impressionable youth for years” is ludicrous. Does this person realize how much online porn is available even to middle schoolers? This is something the reviewer should be worried about.

I mean, let's be real. In a movie like this do you even need to read the subtitles?
In this movie, yes, since some of it was in Italian & some in Polish. As I said in my OP some of the parts where the foreigners spoke English were excruciatingly stilted. But kudos to anyone who can speak a foreign language.

I was a little disappointed in Lust, Caution. I would still recommend it, but it didn't quite live up to my expectations given the director and lead actors.
Interesting. I liked it very much.

The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
Another good movie.

We might all be witnessing the birth of a new cult classic.
Sad to say, but it’s a possibility.

You know what's weird is that this movie as well as Fifty Shades of Grey, are both directed by female directors, and they are both based off novels, written by female authors.
Not quite true. This movie is directed by 2 Poles - one female & one male & they both worked on the screenplay.

Just noted that one good thing that has arisen due to COVID19 is that the sequel has been postponed.
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Oh my mistake I thought that it was a female director only.

They cater to the submissive desires of (some part of) the female populace, and therefore are a part of the sexualized fantasy. It's ludicrous to accuse films like 50 Shades of Gray of having weak female protagonists when it's obviously the very point. They're directed to that specific demographic of women fantasizing about being docile in the arms of a strong and dangerous (but excitingly dangerous) man. This is the realm of fantasy, even if it's more mental than physical.

It's only fitting they are written and directed by females. A male BDSM fantasy would be different, even if it was a gay or femdom one.
Yeah I guess that's the point. So it's just that women writers perhaps like the abusive bad boy then? I mean I'm a male, but if I were to write an erotica novel, a woman being kidnapped and raped, and then made to fall for the guy through Stockholm syndrome, is not the first idea I would go to for erotic fantasy for a novel.