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10-02-17
Originally Posted by Dani8
Yeah comes back to what I said earlier about lazy journos. Every time there is so much misinformation.

As for comment re:metal detectors, airport security etc in your post, I'd rather go through the minor inconvenience. I remember all the hoohaa when xrays and face recognition came in along with random bomb detection tests. Doesnt bother me at all if it stops all this insanity. We actually had that here recently with an airport scare. The biggest problem was not the inconvenience but the massive queues waiting to get in through security. Any lunatic with a gun, knife, bomb or van could have been waiting for sitting ducks.
(sorry Yods, not directed at your avatar)
And I totally understand why you would have no issues. But the masses who just want to go to a casino to play craps? I doubt they will be less understanding. And a Casino will never do anything to limit the suckers who go to a casino to gamble.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
And I totally understand why you would have no issues. But the masses who just want to go to a casino to play craps? I doubt they will be less understanding. And a Casino will never do anything to limit the suckers who go to a casino to gamble.
You are a very sensible man. I agree about the greed of casinos.

I cant find the article claiming the guns were legal but this is pretty sad. A sudden psychotic break? I feel sorry for his brother having to carry this news. How do you reconcile that. Atleast if he had a history of mental illness you can point the finger at poor medical systems but Eric Paddock has got no hope of resolving this in his head.

Paddock's brother, Eric, who lives in East Orlando, Fla., said that to his knowledge, his brother had no history of mental illness or substance abuse. He said his brother had "nothing to do" with political or religious organizations. His brother owned guns and played high-stakes video poker, he said.

"There's absolutely no way I can even conceive that my brother would shoot a bunch of people he didn't even know," Eric Paddock said. "There's no rationale. There's nothing anywhere that said why he did this."



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10-02-17
I'm listening to the radio - and I realize it's all speculation at this point - but some callers are saying that since there seems to be no motives, red flags, familial info, criminal record, political-extremist or terrorist ties, or background on this guy linking him to anything but being a completely ordinary, average guy, people are starting to theorize things like a Manchurian Candidate scenario. (But for whom? ISIS, Russia, North Korea, Trump, the Clintons, the Alt-Right, BLM, Antifa???)



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
I need a source for the machine guns being legal.
machine guns (fully automatic guns) are illegal UNLESS they were bought before 1986. The NRA worked hard to get that loop hole so that gun sellers can sell older machine guns without legal worry. Now from what Ive heard of THIS case (not officially confirmed yet) is that he bought all his guns legally and converted some of them to full auto himself. And thats illegal.
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10-02-17
Originally Posted by Captain Steel
I'm listening to the radio - and I realize it's all speculation at this point - but some callers are saying that since there seems to be no motives, red flags, familial info, criminal record, political-extremist or terrorist ties, or background on this guy linking him to anything being completely ordinary, average guy, people are starting to theorize things like a Manchurian Candidate scenario. (But for whom? ISIS, Russia, North Korea, Trump, the Clintons, the Alt-Right, BLM, Antifa???)
Hence why I am in the shut the hell up, mourn, and and wait camp.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by Captain Steel
I'm listening to the radio - and I realize it's all speculation at this point - but some callers are saying that since there seems to be no motives, red flags, familial info, criminal record, political-extremist or terrorist ties, or background on this guy linking him to anything but being a completely ordinary, average guy, people are starting to theorize things like a Manchurian Candidate scenario. (But for whom? ISIS, Russia, North Korea, Trump, the Clintons, the Alt-Right, BLM, Antifa???)
no motives we know of YET. I would wait until they dig more deeply into his gambling situation before we can write that one off. Occam's razor would make it seem unlikely that this is due to hate group kidnapping, brain washing and planting and in fact someone who lost millions and snapped or something along those lines. It happened in Macao. And in the Philippines i believe.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by I. Rex
machine guns (fully automatic guns) are illegal UNLESS they were bought before 1986. The NRA worked hard to get that loop hole so that gun sellers can sell older machine guns without legal worry. Now from what Ive heard of THIS case (not officially confirmed yet) is that he bought all his guns legally and converted some of them to full auto himself. And thats illegal.
I mentioned that in an earlier post. Including the conversion possibility. I even mentioned the North Hollywood bank robbers who did.

That being said, I say we wait and see for the actual investigation to be over. Otherwise we delve into the internet speculation echo chamber where the looney left tries to blame the NRA and gun owners and the wacky right try to say this guy was ISIS or ANTIFA.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by I. Rex
no motives we know of YET. I would wait until they dig more deeply into his gambling situation before we can write that one off. Occam's razor would make it seem unlikely that this is due to hate group kidnapping, brain washing and planting and in fact someone who lost millions and snapped or something along those lines. It happened in Macao. And in the Philippines i believe.
Sure spoil the fun of the internet tin foil hat society.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
I mentioned that in an earlier post. Including the conversion possibility. I even mentioned the North Hollywood bank robbers who did.

That being said, I say we wait and see for the actual investigation to be over. Otherwise we delve into the internet speculation echo chamber where the looney left tries to blame the NRA and gun owners and the wacky right try to say this guy was ISIS or ANTIFA.
Agreed.



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by The Gunslinger45
Sure spoil the fun of the internet tin foil hat society.
Eh, amazing isnt it. I've got someone ranting at me the government did it. Woooo *cue ominous music and pass that hat over*



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by I. Rex
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This just came up on my feed - how you cn help. Addresses for blood collection if youcan/ want to go down that path.

https://hellogiggles.com/news/help-v...ing-powerless/



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by Dani8
This just came up on my feed - how you cn help. Addresses for blood collection if youcan/ want to go down that path.

https://hellogiggles.com/news/help-v...ing-powerless/
Yep already printed up that same Twitter post and some other bits of information I got from local sites. My plan is to head straight to a donation point as soon as I pick up my car from the airport. Trouble is most of the places seem to be closed on weekends so Im still searching for a place that I know is open and when I plug in the names of places (like the police recommended Labor Health & Welfare Clinic) you get a WAVE of endless articles about the shooting and I cant find the stupid number...

Maybe theyll have Red Cross campers on the ground by then hopefully.

But people are really giving because I saw an article about how one place had a full parking lot and a line around the block at 4am! Gotta love people who care that much to wait overnight to give blood. And you gotta love that theres too many to count! People just want to help. Tragedies ALWAYS sprout a wave of heroics, generosity and altruism. I think its the nature of our species. We kill each other but we also go out of our way to help each other. Wish we'd figure it out...



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10-02-17
Originally Posted by I. Rex

But people are really giving because I saw an article about how one place had a full parking lot and a line around the block at 4am! Gotta love people who care that much to wait overnight to give blood. And you gotta love that theres too many to count! People just want to help. Tragedies ALWAYS sprout a wave of heroics, generosity and altruism. I think its the nature of our species. We kill each other but we also go out of our way to help each other. Wish we'd figure it out...
And at times like this I wish the media would pull their head out of their colons and report about it. We need to keep these selfless members of the community in mind whenever something like this happens. Good for you for wanting to do your bit, I Rex. Even if you cant find one collecting on a weekend your intention is there, but at a guess I would think there'll be drives 24/7.

Interesting that he was holed up in the hotel (with those guns?) since last month. Will be interesting to see if he went with the intention of hitting the music festival or if he flipped out from gambling debts and something like the noise tipped him over the edge.

"He had a couple of guns but they were all handguns, legal," Eric Paddock said. "He might have had one long gun, but he had them in a safe."



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10-02-17
Good job, people, using a tragedy to rail against the media, which has done nothing wrong in this instance. It's not the media's fault if people can't comprehend what was actually reported. Such as that it's been established this guy had bought multiple guns legally, but it has not been confirmed if any of those legal purchases were the guns used in this shooting. And no one claimed he just bought a full-auto rifle. It likely was converted after the purchase anyway.

I actually live in Las Vegas and in fact work about two blocks away, but I happened to be off last night. I could have been working, it just wasn't how my schedule worked out. I imagine where I worked, along with everywhere else on the Strip, went into some sort of lock down mode. I guess I'll find out tonight when I go to work. I will try to donate blood on Wednesday.
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10-03-17
I'm sure most have already seen this; October 1st when the shooting happened was the 274th day of the year and the Vegas Shooting was the 273rd mass shooting (four or more shot) this year in America Horrifying. http://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-...curred-in-2017

Yeah this is horrendous. Like Swan i saw a video where you could only hear the gunfire and it was stomach turning. Also not sure if this was confirmed because i heard it early but i read that there was so much smoke from the gunfire that the shooter set off an alarm giving away his position.




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10-03-17
I was glad to hear Trump say we'd talk about guns soon... He supported restrictions his entire life -- no reason why automatics are available for sale at a gun show, etc...



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10-03-17
Has anyone heard anything about this guy being on any type of medication?

I don't think this is strictly a gun problem. I think alot of people fail to realize that the United States has the highest rate per capita use of anti-depressant drugs and boasts the highest consumption of opiates.

After every mass shooting, both sides yell about gun control, etc., but nothing is said about the alarming problem we seem to be having with doctors overdosing prescription medication.

But, since I haven't with anything on the subject, I'm just speculating at this point, but I would be very surprised if this guy wasn't on some kind of medication. The link between mass shootings and anti-depressants seem to be getting more and more common.



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10-03-17
Originally Posted by matt72582
.. no reason why automatics are available for sale at a gun show, etc...
Automatic guns are not available for sale at gun shows. Semi automatic are available, but not fully auto.

Originally Posted by Gangland
Has anyone heard anything about this guy being on any type of medication?

I don't think this is strictly a gun problem. I think alot of people fail to realize that the United States has the highest rate per capita use of anti-depressant drugs and boasts the highest consumption of opiates.

After every mass shooting, both sides yell about gun control, etc., but nothing is said about the alarming problem we seem to be having with doctors overdosing prescription medication.

But, since I haven't with anything on the subject, I'm just speculating at this point, but I would be very surprised if this guy wasn't on some kind of medication. The link between mass shootings and anti-depressants seem to be getting more and more common.
I've said the same thing before on this board about school shootings. A number of the shooters were on psychiatric prescribed drugs. I don't know about this last shooter, and if he was on any prescribed psychiatric drugs?

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