Las Vegas Attack 2017

ISIS has been known to be an "equal opportunity exploiter" i.e., they've claimed responsibility for a number of mass murders that were never linked back them or even their influence.

This brings up another thing I've been wondering whenever we hear these claims that ISIS or some other terror group has claimed responsibility - how does the media get these reports that "ISIS has claimed responsibility" - I mean: who does ISIS call? Do they call news networks, the FBI? How does anyone who takes the call know it's actually ISIS and not some punk making a prank call? Can they trace the call? What's the difference between an "actual" claim of responsibility or anyone randomly going on YouTube or some other site and typing "ISIS has claimed responsibility"?

Well first and foremost the media lies through it's teeth on just about every topic. The idea of truth in journalism is dead. Only the headlines, click bait, views, and people tuning into TV matter. But not the truth.

As for ISIS I know they try to groom attackers through social media and the internet, but to what degree I am not certain. I am no terrorism expert.

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Normally I think it's sensational reporting or lazy journos taking it off social media before investigating because they want to be the first to cover it, but in this case I think the fbi chief disputed it before the media even mentioned it. I saw on a report last night the claim was BS but this morning it;s ll over the net that it's isis. Usual hysterics.

Gun control was rampant here. He was shooting full auto (very illegal without a crap ton of legal paperwork and background checks) in a gun free zone over looking a concert. That won't do anything other then give certain politicians something to gripe about.

Media control I don't think will help aside from not running the guy's face 24 hours a day, but good luck getting CNN, MSNBC and Fox News to stop that. Their media empires are crumbling with the rise of the internet. They have to run these stories to get any sort of traffic.

Truth be told man is a curious creature. We as humans are capable of the most altruistic behavior as well as the most base and horrifying acts of cruelty. Today we are witness to man's dark side.

Indeed. Just another reason why I hate the media.

Oh yes, and the modern inability of the masses to read.

One final angry lash out at a world they believe has wronged them maybe?

A sniper rifle can fire at something 4.5 miles away. A quarter of a mile is nothing.

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I just hope no one says "There's gun control in Chicago" -- yeah, but 5 miles away, there isnt!

I agree. We've had someone like that in our lives for 2 years blaming the directors of our company for his life going to sht through his own actions. Would not surprise me in the least if he gets his hands on illegal guns and goes postal. All of the partners in the company have had to live with constant threatening nd mentally disturbed behaviour and we all have cctv for the first time in our lives. Not fun watching someone fall apart, but the self absorption of taking it out on innocents out enjoying music and friendships. I cant imagine the trauma those who survived will go through forever after this.

But a full auto weapon would suck as a sniper rifle. sniper rifles are designed for carefully scoping out a single target in the hands of a trained marksman. This guy was spraying a crowd in the dark from a quarter mile away. I seriously doubt he was aiming at all.

Part of the casualty level can be chalked up to having a sea of 22,000 people caught in a fenced in pen for a while before they trampled the fences to get out (I mean if you think about it 58 out of 22,000 fish in a barrel isnt a great percentage thank goodness). Maybe more might be due to people actually running into fire since they couldnt really tell where it was coming from. And who knows how many people might have been trampled to death in the chaos...

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And that thought had me freaking out earlier. Horrific to contemplate.

We will find out.

As for the full auto guns, the ATF is in the works. I will pretty much rule of these things being legal. Either he stole them somehow or he got himself a source for the weapons.

Until then we are in a waiting game until they get more info.

It overtly has nothing to do with the shooting, but the shooter's father, Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, was a bank robber during the 60s/70s.

I read that he had them legally. Will see if I can find it. And how did he get 10 guns into a casino - dont they have security on entry? Maybe highrise near public parks should. OK might be a kneejerk reaction but how expensive is it to install metal detectors.

Yeah I saw that. Unless they can proof genetic traits of history of sociopathic behavior, it is at least an interesting tidbit. Not unless his kept in contact with relatives of his daddy who may have stayed the crime game somehow.

I need a source for the machine guns being legal. The media is so piss poor at saying what type of gun was used. I would wait for the ATF report after the investigation. Now the non full auto weapons I can see him legally owning.

As for the metal detectors, those won't be expensive to install. But I bet the cost of people not going to a casino because of said metal detectors seeing it as a minor hassle due to having to go through what would be airport security every time you go out to eat or a show would be a huge loss.

You’re right. I was just making the point of how terrifying it is that these rifles can fire such distances. 4.5 miles in Manhattan would be 85 blocks north to south, which is an amazing distance to shoot a rifle.

I volunteer at a food pantry, which is held in the basement of our cathedral. Last week we had a Serbian refugee come down who got very very pissy because we couldn’t find his paperwork. I am going to ask our boss lady if we have a protocol in place for someone who comes down with a gun. Do we immediately call 911 or do we call the security guard who works upstairs getting our “customers” into line?

Yeah comes back to what I said earlier about lazy journos. Every time there is so much misinformation.

As for comment re:metal detectors, airport security etc in your post, I'd rather go through the minor inconvenience. I remember all the hoohaa when xrays and face recognition came in along with random bomb detection tests. Doesnt bother me at all if it stops all this insanity. We actually had that here recently with an airport scare. The biggest problem was not the inconvenience but the massive queues waiting to get in through security. Any lunatic with a gun, knife, bomb or van could have been waiting for sitting ducks.
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