No plebeians allowed! - Mr Minio's honest music thread

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After all those years... still the peak of music!

Take that, Bach!
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Look, I'm not judging you - after all, I'm posting here myself, but maybe, just maybe, if you spent less time here and more time watching films, maybe, and I stress, maybe your taste would be of some value. Just a thought, ya know.



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Yes, I hate rap.

But there's good rap.



The name of this band should've been used for a death metal band with all-black members, though. Would be hilarious!



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Automatically disqualified!
Arguably one of the worst music genres.



Well, Danish pornography had better soundtracks than most contemporary Hollywood movies. Shows that Europeans used to take their porn seriously.



Arguably one of the worst music genres.
Lol.


I always wondered, Minio, is there any subject or area where you kinda sorta fall into the norm or are all your opinions and entire existence based upon being edgy and different?



Sorry if I'm rude but I'm right
I always wondered, Minio, is there any subject or area where you kinda sorta fall into the norm or are all your opinions and entire existence based upon being edgy and different?
I think I fall into the norm pretty well in some ways. It's just that these aspects have little to do with art, and art is what I mostly post about here anyway.

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Lol.


I always wondered, Minio, is there any subject or area where you kinda sorta fall into the norm or are all your opinions and entire existence based upon being edgy and different?
He likes Star Wars.



I think I fall into the norm pretty well in some ways. It's just that these aspects have little to do with art, and art is what I mostly post about here anyway.
Alrighty then.

It's a shame you don't like rap/hip-hop. I personally think it's one of the best genres there is. Lyrical poetry where you can be raw, direct and gritty about it or do more symbolism and metaphors to prove a point. And of course then there's the flow and how you sort of "become one" with the track in your own way. And the production is usually really playful and push boundaries in how you use instruments, samples and the likes.

Sometimes it's interesting enough to hear a pop song try to find the 12948th way to say "I love you" but hip-hop just has something about it that speaks directly to you as a human. I love that.

Of course, like any other genre, there's loads of horrible rap and shitty subgenres. Personally I love pretty much all genres. Death Metal and growling is the only one I'm struggling with a bit. But hard rock is fine.



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He likes Star Wars.
Yeah, I really like Star Wars. I still prefer Starcrash, though!

I really hate hip-hop, though, and lyrics are of little to no importance for me in songs. I really think that putting poetry and rap side-by-side is a huge offense for poetry. I don't care about becoming one with the track either. I think that vocals seen as another instrument (which definitely happens in classical music, black metal, and death metal) is really what "becoming one with the track" means.

I don't think hip-hop speaks anything human. It can talk about society, contemporary problems, about racism. But these are more like political themes. I don't see anything inherently human in that. And even if there was something human in the lyrics, I wouldn't care anyway because, as I said, I don't give a damn about lyrics in music. I mean, you can enjoy a song even if you don't understand what they're singing about. And most of the time it's even better not to understand. (And it's better not to understand all the time with Nazi Black Metal bands. )

All that being said, there are 27 hip-hop albums I find somewhat good. Though, good is relative here. A good hip-hop album is still much worse than a good J-Pop album, for example.

I love pop but I hate most of the contemporary Western pop music. (And almost all of K-Pop, too, for that matter). I do love J-Pop, but mostly old songs. The 80s and 90s were the absolute golden time for Japanese pop music. Unfortunately, pop was never as great again.

Growling and screaming is, in a way, an acquired taste. But I don't really think most people DISLIKE it. They're just not accustomed to the sound of it. Once you *get* harsh vocals you will start HATING clean vocals on metal records.

EDIT: I've listened to 239 hip-hop albums, by the way. Why would I want to listen to so much music if I usually hate it? The reason is simple: Having listened to a lot of hip-hop, I can truthfully say I hate it. I'm sure of that now. It's not that I haven't given the genre a fair chance or that I'm not used to it. It's no longer a novelty to me. Yeah, there are some listenable albums (roughly 10% of what I heard, though, the more hip-hop I hear, the fewer % it'll become, I guess). But no, this genre isn't good as a whole. An average J-Pop album is at least listenable. An average hip-hop album is unlistenable. As simple as that.



Yeah, I really like Star Wars. I still prefer Starcrash, though!

I really hate hip-hop, though, and lyrics are of little to no importance for me in songs. I really think that putting poetry and rap side-by-side is a huge offense for poetry. I don't care about becoming one with the track either. I think that vocals seen as another instrument (which definitely happens in classical music, black metal, and death metal) is really what "becoming one with the track" means.

I don't think hip-hop speaks anything human. It can talk about society, contemporary problems, about racism. But these are more like political themes. I don't see anything inherently human in that. And even if there was something human in the lyrics, I wouldn't care anyway because, as I said, I don't give a damn about lyrics in music. I mean, you can enjoy a song even if you don't understand what they're singing about. And most of the time it's even better not to understand. (And it's better not to understand all the time with Nazi Black Metal bands. )

All that being said, there are 27 hip-hop albums I find somewhat good. Though, good is relative here. A good hip-hop album is still much worse than a good J-Pop album, for example.

I love pop but I hate most of the contemporary Western pop music. (And almost all of K-Pop, too, for that matter). I do love J-Pop, but mostly old songs. The 80s and 90s were the absolute golden time for Japanese pop music. Unfortunately, pop was never as great again.

Growling and screaming is, in a way, an acquired taste. But I don't really think most people DISLIKE it. They're just not accustomed to the sound of it. Once you *get* harsh vocals you will start HATING clean vocals on metal records.

EDIT: I've listened to 239 hip-hop albums, by the way. Why would I want to listen to so much music if I usually hate it? The reason is simple: Having listened to a lot of hip-hop, I can truthfully say I hate it. I'm sure of that now. It's not that I haven't given the genre a fair chance or that I'm not used to it. It's no longer a novelty to me. Yeah, there are some listenable albums (roughly 10% of what I heard, though, the more hip-hop I hear, the fewer % it'll become, I guess). But no, this genre isn't good as a whole. An average J-Pop album is at least listenable. An average hip-hop album is unlistenable. As simple as that.
I should've expected a lenghty Minio-esque answer like this... well, after all I did kind of set it up.

A good hip-hop album is still much worse than a good J-Pop album, for example ...... An average J-Pop album is at least listenable. An average hip-hop album is unlistenable.
That's a very subjective answer. But then again it's your opinion so of course you are allowed to deliver such.

I can't say I agree with much of what you say. But at least now you have a longer statement on hip-hop you can always copy-paste if such discussion ever comes up for you again.



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I should've expected a lenghty Minio-esque answer like this... well, after all I did kind of set it up.
Huh? You're not happy with a detailed answer?
That's a very subjective answer.
I mean, we're talking art. What else did you expect?
I can't say I agree with much of what you say. But at least now you have a longer statement on hip-hop you can always copy-paste if such discussion ever comes up for you again.
Yeah, "hip-hop is the music for animals" is my usual quip. It's way less civilized, but it gets the message across very well.



Huh? You're not happy with a detailed answer?
I would be. But in the nicest way possible I could put this: I don’t feel like I got much out of your answer.
we are talking art what did you expect?
Some better reasonings for J-pop being so great and superior to hip-hop perhaps. Just because it’s about art doesn’t mean you can just toss stuff around. Or well you can. But then a lengthy discussion would be pointless.
Yeah, "hip-hop is the music for animals" is my usual quip. It's way less civilized, but it gets the message across very well.
That is indeed narrow-minded. But again I shouldn’t have entered this discussion or thread. That’s my own doing.*

But we are very different I guess. And often it’s seems like you love to be different. And even act like you don’t because “that’s just how you are” or whatever. But saying stuff like “lyrics don’t matter” and “hip hop is for animals” and whatever else just seems so try-hard for me. I could easily say wavy stuff like that. But it’s weightless fluff. At least when worded like you do.

Sure, if music can convey everything without lyrics is amazing. Especially classical can indeed do that. But something one sentence in a song can make me think for hours. That’s equally great imo.

Anyway, I don’t think we’ll get much closer in agreeing on anything. And we don’t have to. Art is subjective and we are different people and that’s fine. I retread your thread



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Some better reasonings for J-pop being so great and superior to hip-hop perhaps.
It just sounds better. It doesn't take a trained ear to appreciate J-Pop, LOL. It's POPULAR music by its very name.
Just because it’s about art doesn’t mean you can just toss stuff around. Or well you can. But then a lengthy discussion would be pointless.
Hmm, how would you like to discuss hip-hop, then? Or any other genre for that matter?
That is indeed narrow-minded. But again I shouldn’t have entered this discussion or thread. That’s my own doing.*
It's just a shortcut to avoid a lengthy discussion. Same as "Onkyo is the music for posers". If you want to have a lengthy discussion, go ahead. I'm not entirely sure what for, then. I've heard hundreds of hip-hop albums, and if that didn't convince me, I don't think anything you may say will. And I don't mean that as an indicator that what you would say is meaningless or of no value. Just that hip-hop is one of the few music genres I will NEVER love.
But we are very different I guess. And often it’s seems like you love to be different.
I just love what I love. It's not really my fault that people have terrible tastes on average. I listened to more than most. I dug deeper than most. So it's only natural my favorites would be more obscure and/or esoteric than most's.
But saying stuff like “lyrics don’t matter” and “hip hop is for animals” and whatever else just seems so try-hard for me. I could easily say wavy stuff like that. But it’s weightless fluff. At least when worded like you do.
With me, you kinda get inside jokes, hyperboles, and my snide attitude along with everything else. It's kind of a defense mechanism so that people won't get me and everything I have to offer right away. They have to work for that. I'm usually less like that when speaking to somebody in private. But publicly, I can't afford to give away too much. It's what Mr Minio is. He's mean and arrogant. But if you actually spend enough time to try and understand him, you can only profit from this. This thread's whole point is to act superciliously for the fun of it.
Sure, if music can convey everything without lyrics is amazing. Especially classical can indeed do that. But something one sentence in a song can make me think for hours. That’s equally great imo.
I could try starting a discussion by saying that hip-hop beats are simplistic and usually not very good. You'd probably respond by giving me examples against what I said. I'd maybe say that I actually think it's not always true but it's true often enough to make the genre bad on average. There are some hip-hop albums I think are somewhat fine. Kno's Death is Silent is my favorite hip-hop album of all time. CunninLynguists, Sadistik, Killer Mike, Moe and ghosts, Slauson Malone, Nujabes, J Dilla, and Niggaz of Destruction are all OK with me. Or at least at least one of their album is. But discussing hip-hop as a whole... these discussions usually go nowhere.



But publicly, I can't afford to give away too much. It's what Mr Minio is. He's mean and arrogant. But if you actually spend enough time to try and understand him, you can only profit from this. This thread's whole point is to act superciliously for the fun of it.
I think this hits it pretty well, for better and for worse.

A character, a cover-up, an extension, an internet persona or whatever you wanna call it. And that’s up to you being who or what you want online. Nobody forces you to be yourself of course.*But I would like to meet the real Minio and not this arrogant artsy being who you are never too sure of… Is it a joke. Is it not. Who knows. Is he stupid. Is he not. We will never know… but isn’t that also kind of sad for yourself to have to be a persona and in that way also alienate people who might actually like you and what you have to say?

Because I can’t take “Mr Minio” serious in the long run. Whoever he is. At a glance I feel like he has some valid points, but looking closer it just ends in elevated one-liners and single-minded paragraphs with a slight edge. And all that effort you seem to put into your long replies and writings just gets lost on me. And many others I’m sure. So I hope you get something out of it.

Because everything, as you have referenced, it’s served with this slight arrogance or superiority and often with a starting point in something that others may love (a music genre, a specific movie or whatever). So people are gonna be annoyed or provoked. And if that’s your goal you are very successful. But you lose a lot of people who might actually like the real you.

Mr Minio is the gift and the curse, I suppose.



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But I would like to meet the real Minio and not this arrogant artsy being who you are never too sure of…
I'm pretty boring IRL. Overly serious, responsible, stiff. I always take things seriously, too. At least the things I perceive as important. Art is one of them. But there are many other things than just art. I don't like to be stiff on the Internet. I'd rather be frolicking. It's also a matter of language. I'm a different person when I speak English.

Is it a joke. Is it not. Who knows. Is he stupid. Is he not. We will never know…
Woah, there. I'm not stupid. I just watched a slapstick comedy based on anime with people comically beating each other up, fart jokes, and a guy getting his arms and legs stretched to like 20 feet. Obviously, this is the kind of cinema that's harder to get than Tarkovsky. Any serious egghead cinephile would easily scorn it. But I love it. I think this clearly shows I'm not stupid. It takes an incredible amount of intelligence to appreciate this kind of cinema. Any half-wit can look up RYM's elitist canon, half-watch La Region Centrale or Antigona, and copy Antigona's ratings 1:1 to pretend to be a serious, SERIOUS cinephile of utmost film knowledge. No, seriously, people are doing that. But then, they have NOTHING to say about these movies. Now, I may have nothing to say about Straubs (except for the parachuters maxim), but at least I'm sincere. Look, love, purity, and sincerity are the most important things in life. Never forget about it!

but isn’t that also kind of sad for yourself to have to be a persona and in that way also alienate people who might actually like you and what you have to say?
Wait, so people don't actually like me or what I'm saying? I guess it's their loss. Most valuable people I ever met were challenging to know in one way or another. I always had to somehow adjust my mind to *get* them. Overlook some of their downsides. If you don't have any visible downsides, you have to come up with them. Or maybe just take them out from the darkest corners of your psyche. So is Mr Minio a joke or not? Is Mr Minio rude or not? Is Mr Minio really like that? Who is Mr Minio? It's better nobody's sure. Is Mr Minio an enigma? YES. And I enjoy people being bewildered and confused and asking themselves these questions. But I think it's best when they deduce that Mr Minio is just a person like them. And he's perfectible just like them.

Because I can’t take “Mr Minio” serious in the long run. Whoever he is. At a glance I feel like he has some valid points, but looking closer it just ends in elevated one-liners and single-minded paragraphs with a slight edge.
I don't know, bro. I think it's very clear when I'm 100% sincere. The rest might be confusing, and people might not know. But when I'm really sincere, I am really sincere, and anybody who read more than 100 of my posts can tell.

And all that effort you seem to put into your long replies and writings just gets lost on me. And many others I’m sure. So I hope you get something out of it.
Again, depends on which replies you're talking about. If EVERYTHING I ever wrote is lost on you, then you're clearly not paying attention. But I sometimes write in riddles that may require lots of cinematic knowledge, for example.

Do you know that game from Last Year at Marienbad? That game is so ingenious that you NEVER lose when you play it. I never lose either. Do you know these enigmatic Rivette movies where a character spends hours trying to solve a mystery and ends up with nothing? Who do these characters remind you of? Me or you?

Because everything, as you have referenced, it’s served with this slight arrogance or superiority and often with a starting point in something that others may love (a music genre, a specific movie or whatever).
Yes, I'm pretty arrogant. I think arrogance goes hand-in-hand with the lack of knowledge. Do you think I may be masking my lack of knowledge using my arrogance? Or is it more likely that I'm unwilling to share the knowledge and therefore I use arrogance to mask it? Look, life is finite. If I don't share my knowledge, my thoughts, and loves, I'll die without anybody knowing about them. So do you think I should, after all, share my knowledge? Here? Somewhere else?

So people are gonna be annoyed or provoked. And if that’s your goal you are very successful. But you lose a lot of people who might actually like the real you.
I think it's rather me choosing people than other people choosing me. But it's a fair point regardless. I bet you haven't seen It's a Flickering Life, so I'm going to reference it. You know what's life about? Life's about choosing what we will regret later. No matter what your choice is, you will regret the other thing you didn't choose. It's not always true. But it's true most of the time. So, it makes sense to choose the better option, right? But sometimes you don't know which option is better. So, you kind of have to guess, risking that you're also choosing the greater regret. But no matter what your choice is, you have to live your life PROUDLY with that choice. And you can't save everyone, you can't help everyone, you can't give yourself fully to everyone. Think about it.