What do you think of people who pirate film/tv shows?

Yeah sorry. I was agreeing with your post and I think anyone who justifies stealing by claiming poverty needs to have their head examined. There are other justifications for pirating that I disagree with although I really hadn't considered yours. Watching streaming from an established site is okay I guess, but we need to settle on a definition of piracy to really have an informed discussion here.

I don't think watching movies online makes you a serial killer although your justifications have enough holes to start a donut factory. I sometimes watch movies online and don't pay for them so relax, I'm not going to tell on you.

The way things are, copyright laws are apparently obsolete. They are anachronistic laws that cannot be enforced today.

Thanks Modine for explaining

And on a different tangent. I've heard it said that many of the DVD boxed TV show sets at major retailers are boot legged Chinese copies. I have NO idea if that's true or not? But it gets mentioned all the time on boards.

On the topic of bootlegged DVDs, I did accidentally by a bootleg of a movie. I bought what I thought was a standard ()meaning non Criterion) DVD of Salo, then it turns out it was a bootleg of the Criterion release.

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BTW for clarity, since some people seem to be confused on my stance, I am not talking about what I think the laws should be. I am talking about my own personal stance on piracy and how I judge others. The topic of the thread. I personally would not look down on someone poor pirating, but I would look down on someone rich pirating.

Wow.

I suppose you think Aladdin deserved to have his hand chopped off in the beginning of that movie, since he was starving and stole a loaf of bread to eat. I suppose also you would let your children starve if you couldn't afford to feed them. After all, poverty is no excuse to steal

I am pretty sure that his / her comment was made in the context of the piracy issue and whether it was okay to pirate movies because you are poor.


After all there is a huge difference between stealing to eat and pirating movies.

There are more fundamental differences. When you pirate something -I am talking about downloading/streaming now- you are not stealing it. You are consuming a copy. A fake. The originals still exist and they still produce benefit. This is essentially why I can't take seriously the over-the-top comparisons AKA "would you steal a car????". What am I stealing? Property rights? No. Concepts? No. They exist, they belong to the author, I am just consuming a copy that the author didn't allow.

I get stuff from "illegal" (with the amount of legal vacuums in this matter I feel the need to put this in quotations) sources. And I do it because I can, because my activity is not penalized, and because I get a clear benefit. I am not only talking about money here, but availabilty in any sense of the word. Why should I wait for decades to have the whole Kaurismaki work edited in Spain, or rely on physical editions from other countries that I will get days or weeks later, or wait till the occasional streaming site (I envy you guys and your Netflix) decides that the author is relevant enough to focus on him; when I can just type his name in Google and download his whole filmography in one day. The industry has to compete with that. I can be blamed for moral reasons but if there's something I can't be blamed for is picking the easiest way. Because that is what clients have always done with the products they consume.

Once I buy a pirated "PIRATES OF CARIBBEAN ON STRANGER TIDES" and all i got was indescribable.

PS- BURN THEM

I have never in my life bought a pirated movie. And I won't, if I want the movie I'll get it in the best possible quality.

And Yoda you had to delete comments because it turned into an argument when in reality it was a simple question. The question of what they think about people who do that, not who does or who doesn't, not if it's right or wrong.

Is it wrong? Hell yeah. Many movies have been doomed of a second part because of both no one going to see them and no one buying them.

Now the other question, do we buy pirated movies? Most of us not. Do we stream them? Most of us, yes.

Be in Spain and tell me if it's worth traveling 1 and a half hour to the first big city just to find out they don't have the film because a) it's too old and not mainstream, b) simply because it's not known, or c) Simply because it's in a "weird" language.

Is my excuse based by facts that I use for streaming. Not saying it's okay at all, not streaming and sure as hell not selling.

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Pirating movies is the reasons sequels aren't made? I think I've just been convinced to pirate movies. I have no interest in most of the stuff that's produced, but if I download it there won't be any sequels?

BRING ON THE PIRATES!!!!!

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I dont support selling pirated movies, but please understand the movie and music industry arent losing a penny on it because they just hiked their prices accordingly. All businesses do that whenever theres a drainage of profits occuring. Just like the tobacco industry didnt lose a penny due to govt penalties cause they just raised their prices to cover it. In the entertainments fields case they didnt do anything wrong, but believe it that they arent going poor over it either.

You think the music industry hasn't lost a penny??

Do you have a single number to back this up, because honestly I really feel like you're talking out of your ass here.

According to you the prices are hiked, but in reality the price of music is cheaper than it has ever been

The industry has clearly lost money, but the problem is that, as someone said earlier, the suits will be the last ones to lose out on money. However. Who gives a **** about the music industry anymore? Bands (smart ones at least) are finding ways to sell their products directly without a middleman. I always support bands that have earned my support. Music is just faaaaaar simpler to access in terms of shipping around the world and whatnot, you can't just make a film available in every country (well, I'm sure you could but it's probably illegal or something because of those stupid region codings)

The problem is the movie industry has no way of tracking losses due to piracy. They can say they have evidence to support it, but they can't say it was exclusively due to piracy. For example, do you know what else has taken off in the age of piracy? Streaming. Netflix makes up something crazy like 1/3 of all internet traffic in the US at peak times. How can the industry put a number loss to piracy when things like streaming have taken off? How many theater goers have they lost over the last 15 years that don't pirate films but just find it easier to stay at home and get it on Amazon Prime or Netflix or even out of a Redbox?

I understand that the film industry has lost revenue to piracy, but I'd say the home theater experience combined with easier access to content is the real thing driving down box office and ticket sales no matter how much the film industry wants to point the finger at pirates.

The music industry on the other hand, they totally lost that fight and Napster won in the long run...kinda.

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Home office is a big part of it I'm sure. Personally I don't go to the movie theatre anymore.
The last film I saw in theaters was the avengers, and even then it was a rare occasion because all of my friends kept talking about it. (What a let down, lol)

Also another part of it is that even if you get on netflix, you hardly get any money for that.
I've heard for most new releases they only buy about 20 copies nationwide of the DVD. Then they put everyone on "long wait" until one of those 20 copies becomes available.

Almost every movie I watch is through the netflix DVD program.

Download a car... haha

I download, and don't mind those who share, whether its Peer-to-Peer, or BitTorrents. The way I see it, the studios aren't starving, and most of us probably wouldn't pay for it, but since we saw a film for free, we might be tempted to see and pay for other stuff, future stuff, etc..

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I'm pretty sure Netflix pays a hefty licensees fee to the movie production companies. Otherwise it would be illegal for them to rent them.