Las Vegas Attack 2017

We figured out that Milo is definitely a Nazi and that he was really close to Steve Bannon today.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephberns...te-nationalism

One of Milo's passwords was kristallnacht. That kinda makes me think he deliberately leaked it himself but yeah he's an absolute Nazi that Steve Bannon and co loved using.

I didn't understand who "those people" were you were talking about in your original post. Anyway, good luck understanding people who believe in conspiracies regarding either shooting. Maybe part of it is a certain level of desensitization in which something crazy feels less crazy after you keep hearing people talking about it. I don't know.

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It's just good old fashioned racism/classism IMO. It's the 'he was a rich white dude without any particular leanings' that's making everything so gross to me. Early reports had ISIS claiming it and these people were into i told you so mode, instantly when it didn't match they quickly changed to far-left conspiracy.

My problem was that they aren't the sort of people that normally do that sort of thing, anyway this is a meta discussion about people that aren't here to speak for themselves so it's useless. Thanks for responding, i know what you mean mate.

Nature abhors a vacuum. Sandy Hook was pretty straight forward so only the truly high level paranoid wackos were able to make anything sinister out of it. This? Its a blank page so far. So it invites explanations no matter how ridiculous. Human psychology cant stand the inexplicable or seemingly unlikely for such a traumatic event. Look at the JFK assassination. Having a crazy explanation reduces anxiety.

Whats creepy are the reports that he had gone as far as reserving rooms at hotels at a number different music festivals, some MUCH bigger than this one including Lollapalooza in Chicago which pulls in 100,000 people. Clearly he has been carefully planning this for a long time... This was no "snapping". And he apparently wanted to do even more damage. His first shots were at fuel storage tanks on the other side of the festival grounds. And he had enough explosives in his car to pancake a garage...

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There was really early reports about a woman who was walking around saying everyone was going to die before everything happened. Is that the mystery woman? Or is that just thought of as a random homeless woman, someone from Vegas i was talking to said you can't walk down the street without someone telling you you're going to die, we've got a massive homeless problem i don't think it means anything.

That's what he said i meant, that was awkwardly worded.

That interviewer woman looks exactly like my cousin...weird. It's probably part of the conspiracy, jot that down guys.

Seriously though that's weird but not the sort of thing i was meaning, thanks for that anyway Captain. Genuinely.

Stephen Paddock is an enigma after death, and clearly was one prior to committing the attack. I doubt we'll ever truly understand why he did what he did. Evil is difficult to understand

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Looking for the " why " .
Here's a white elderly millionaire with and elderly Philippina girlfriend that decides to kill as many people as possible from long distance. We all know the consequence: 59 dead, over 500 injured. The biggest mass shooting in US history.
Definitely not spur of the moment. A lot of planning and preparation, maybe moths stockpiling weapons and scouting locations .Choses
Mandalay Bay Casino country music outdoor concert venue and gets himself two adjoining suites, having different angles to fire automatic weapons into a 20, 000 + crowd, some three football fields across and below.
WHY????
Lone wolf, unlikely given all the circumstances.
An act of terror, definitely. But who are the other actors?
Some thing is off about the girlfriend.
The guy a high roller with lots of money, used to younger women.
A few days before the shooting she is filmed at Las Vegas airport, at departure lounge muttering to herself " a lot of people are going to die " . No source links but a number of sightings and rumors from youtube.. Almost immediately after the shooting, that video gets taken down.
The girlfriend arrives in the Philippines and is wired $100,000.00 by the shooter.
Her transports 9 suitcases filled with weapons to his high roller suites. Barricades himself in after a couple of days and installs wide lens surveillance cameras on his doors to be able to clearly observe the comings and goings on hallway 32. He also disables exit door on his floor as well as the exit doors on the floor below.
As the concert is going on below, a security guard is doing his hall checks. He finds floor 32 exit door disabled. Takes the elevator to floor below and finds that exit door disabled, as well.
He forces the door open, takes the stairwell up and forces the other door open and comes into corridor directly facing one of shooter's rooms, at which point he gets shot in the leg through the door. He immediately radios in to Casino Security Central.
At that time there are 2 off duty Las Vegas Police Officers on the premises.
The shooter is meanwhile breaking windows with a chisel and 6 minutes later he opens up on the crowd below.
In the two rooms, he had 24 modified automatic weapons, They are arranged in rows, 12 to a room. He is wearing gloves to keep his hands from get burned from heated barrels.
He walks between the two rooms, emptying his barrels and substituting new weapons.
This lasts 12 minutes.
50 minutes later, when Las Vegas Swat breaks the door down to one of the adjoining suites, they find the shooter D.O.A. No note.
FBI has taken over and there is deafening silence as to the "why ".
I think that the key is with the girlfriend. Possible ties to Abu Sayyaf, a known terror group in Phillippines?
A few days after the shooting, Isis claims responsibility.
The shooting occurred on Oct. 1, 2017. It is now Oct. 20th, 2017. Isis connection still to be confirmed.
What is going on?

Get to the point! And what's the point? That there was more than one shooter? That has been debunked.
The audio " specialist " is not taking into account that the shots were fired from multiple location angles through cracked windows as well as the first burst inside the room through the door. There would have been 3 distinct different echoes.

wth did I just read. What's your source this time or is it fox news again.

FYI casinos in Las Vegas are not gun-free zones. Nevada allows for an open carry but you are not allowed to bring your gun into a casino.
The shooter brought them in 9 suitcases, not all the same time.
He was a known high roller and that's how he got his suites.
Baggage is normally not checked and there are no metal detectors ( just now they have started installing some ).
There is a standard security check point in most big casino's on the strip for cars going into parking garages but that's a lot of profiling. If you are an older white guy, you will be waved through. If you are middle eastern, they might ask to look into your trunk. That's how it was.

Also to clarify that there were reports of two different women talking about impending death. One was the girlfriend at airport, the other was a Caucasian women in the crowd an hour before the shooting began. She was with some guy and they are yet to be identified.
On a more personal note, I know a guy who survived the shooting. He was by himself. His story is slightly different from media's.
The media kept on about how so many people were helping each other during the shooting and stopping and dying for strangers.
My friend was in the middle of it. He only helped himself. Yes, there were a few heroes but for the overwhelming majority it was total pandemonium. People were trampling each other to find some cover and get away. There was absolute panic, as no one had a clue as to where the shots were coming from, when it was going on, for at least the first 5 minutes.
My friend found a fence, jumped it and wound up running to the Hard Rock, which was at least a mile away.
The results of the autopsies have not been confirmed but it is a certainty that a number of people died from other causes than bullets.
Of course the media downplayed the panic but I find it informative as protection and preparation for future attempts.
I feel sad for the people that died on that day, as well as for their families. I know now that measures are being taken to at least make Las Vegas a safer place.

Racism and bigotry seriously his girlfriend is from the Philippines they have a terrorist group in the named Abu Sayyaf.

But they didn't claim responsibility for the act which is the whole point in being tied to a terrorist organization.

I'm new to the site but if you can take away peoples privileges for thread starting it might be time. This really is just getting ridiculous.

My reply to that guy was about his investigative powers or lack thereof.

Say what now? Care to expand on exactly what you are suggesting? You want to take away people's privileges to start threads.

Not you, the person who started a different thread and had it merged.

Now wait a minute - why not him?

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