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That's a good question. I suspect it varies between companies. The location where cattle is mass produced is likely different from the dairy sector where new cows are a profitable by-product.

You're probably talking about upwards of four separate locations cows end up in depending on what kind of cow they are and where they originate from.

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Generally it's determined by sex. Male calves are more commonly used for veal, since they can't produce milk and fewer males are needed for breeding purposes.

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Think both of you started off on a disagreement and now you're both digging your heels in, JMO. Dani has conceded a tonne from talking to me calmly about this, think she has been very fair and Omni is being mischaracterized as someone that forces you to listen to him. I've had loads of problems with him in the past but i think he just feels strongly about his views and is going to mention them if something relevant to them are brought up. Or if he creates a thread to talk about it like he did, that's no different from any of us creating a thread about our beliefs his is just alot more unpopular.

Thanks!

You thought I'd ask you why you put so much emphasis on palm oil?

I've been pretty chill throughout this whole thread actually.

It's nothing new.

I have a feeling you're not going to answer my question about palm oil.

I know what it's doing. OH, is that why you say it's "newfound veganism"? You think I'm some hotshot upstart with a bone to pick? I've simply asked why you care.

Being a vegan is hardly as simple as “not buying something”, which statement makes no sense at all. Vegans must find substitutes for all animal products in their diet as well as their apparel. That can’t be easy. Depending on where one lives, not every store sells vegan products. Then they have to find a substitute for wool & leather to name 2 animal products they must avoid wearing.

Untrue. I’m a pescatarian, which is a vegetarian who eats fish.

Some American farmers to make ends meet these days are selling dairy cows for their beef. Only male calves are used for veal.

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I don't mention even half the contentious stuff I think, it's just not worth bringing up. Some conversations get you nothing but burnt bridges and bruised egos.

My mum was a Pescatarian before she was a Vegetarian. She definitely never thought of herself as a Vegetarian when she was the former.

Think we all agree that this all means that Broccoli is the best food.

Barbarism. Chained in tight spaces so they can’t move. This way they stay tender & not musclebound.

Well, at least I thought the thread started out pretty funny.

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In what way was my OP “pretty funny”?

Please everyone send me your top ten foods! For the Countdown!

Or don't, i dunno

Even worse, true vealers are aborted foetuses.

This part cracked me up:

Cannot be sold legally in America.

I want to correct a misstatement I made: veal is not predominantly sold from male calves. Female calves that are not needed for the dairy industry can be sold as veal also.

So glad I am no part of any of this.

Okay, here I made a graphical tutorial on how to go vegan, maybe this will help:


No they don't.

I've literally never even heard of a super market that does not sell vegan food.

Cotton is cheaper.

Synthetic is cheaper.

Meat is flesh, fish have flesh, eating fish is eating meat. Not vegetarian.

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There must be hundreds of thousands of people who don’t live anywhere near a supermarket nor have the means of traveling to one. Not to mention the fact that vegan substitutes are not inexpensive.

Never heard of a cotton winter coat.

Not necessarily.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary dates the origin of the term pescatarian to 1993 and defines it as: "one whose diet includes fish but no other meat".

So don't buy vegan substitutes.

Lemme check my coats real quick...

First one is 100% polyester.
Second one is 100% polyester.
Third one is 100% polyester.

It necessarily would be if we stopped subsidizing animal agriculture.

Fish is meat confirmed. Not vegetarian.

I found two!!
How many are there hidden within these halls?!

I was going to put one in here. Should I?