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The only reason people view him as some kind of hero and actualy believe he could "change" America is because he has put the idea in every ones head that every one needs change.

America does not need change. America is a first world country. Nearly all Americans have a roof over their heads. ALL American's have acsess to clean drinking water. ALL Americans have acsses to some kind of education. America does not need change, Somalia and countries like that actualy need change.

Obama has convinved America that every thing is bad atm there and he is here to save every one. There is nothing to save.

Yes, America does have a few problems, but when hasn't America had a few problems?

Obama and Americans who beleve in what he says need to realise that there is nothing wrong with America. Yes America needs some repairs but Obama is making it out to seem as if America needs a complete redevlopment, when cleary it does not.

South Park hit the nail on the head when it comes to the issue about Obama (no he is not a jewl theif).

BTW that doesn't mean i think he is a bad president.
America does not need change. America is a first world country. Nearly all Americans have a roof over their heads. ALL American's have acsess to clean drinking water.

America does need change. Reagonomics has pretty much demolished the middle class. This is one of the changes we need.



I can’t vote on Obama just yet. I do feel that it doesn’t matter who the president is, that there are people in our government that won’t let any president succeed. There’s always an opposing force ruining all good things for the people.
This is very true. The Republican Congress is doing its best to block Obama's policies.



America does need change. Reagonomics has pretty much demolished the middle class. This is one of the changes we need.
Last I'd looked Reagan's term saw a dramatic reduction in inflation and unemployment, and a large rise in GDP. Please explain how this has "demolished" the middle class, preferably with something measurable.



America does not need change. America is a first world country. Nearly all Americans have a roof over their heads. ALL American's have acsess to clean drinking water.
Most meaning better than 50%, I'm guessing.

By the way, there is a whole hemispere of Americans.



One thing I remember about Reagan, in (I think sixth grade?), when Reagan was shot one of the kids in class said "Good, that's what he gets for cutting off peoples money." Not sure, but I am guessing that kid was on some type of family assistance and his parents put the blame on Reagan when their money went away. I remember it because everyone was shocked he said it, because the President had just been shot. Seemed like many people loved Reagan then, when I was a kid. I guess this guys family didn't. I just wanted to get and watch the news and see it they filmed it. They did.

I guess how you view the world deals with where you are coming from. Personally, I thought Reagan was okay. He was an actor. That was all he needed to do. Like Clinton. Like Obama. An actor. Not so scary as the other kind.
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Last I'd looked Reagan's term saw a dramatic reduction in inflation and unemployment, and a large rise in GDP. Please explain how this has "demolished" the middle class, preferably with something measurable.
It's not so much what happened specifically on Reagan's watch, but rather the trend he started (sort of--it's movement conservatism that 'started' it, but Reagan was the medium). The union busting and lowered taxes on the wealthy have resulted in workers taking home less and less of the economic pie. More and more of that wealth has gone to the top income earners.

Here are some tangible metrics.









Source for the last graph



Last I'd looked Reagan's term saw a dramatic reduction in inflation and unemployment, and a large rise in GDP. Please explain how this has "demolished" the middle class, preferably with something measurable.
Note: By Reaganomics I mean the overzealousness of supply side/trickle down theory. GDP growth is good in itself, but if all the income gains are going to the top earners, and middle class households are having to work more and more hours to adjust for the rising cost of living, it's not exactly helping the middle class.

Like I said, it's not Reagan specifically, but his eloquent speeches did help change the ethos in our country. He convinced middle class people that government was in their way, and that their taxes were essentially going to subsidize the lavish lifestyle of welfare queens.



I notice something very interesting about all three charts: they don't measure total wealth, only relative wealth. In other words, they don't demonstrate a drop in total wealth for the middle class (and the second has nothing to do with the middle class at all). And, of course, no such chart could exist, because standards of living have risen across the board over the last 30 years. We're all wealthier now.

The fact that the pie is bigger is far more important than what size each group's slice is. Whether you're poor, middle class, or wealthy, you have more pie than you did 30 years ago. That's good. Focusing only on the disparity of wealth is, frankly, just an abstract form of class warfare.

All three charts have significant spikes in the 90s, a decade widely viewed as being highly prosperous and often lauded particularly by people who feel the same way towards income disparity as you do. The fact that we've seen such incredibly economic growth at a time when these ratios have risen is an argument for supply-side policies, not against them.



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I notice something very interesting about all three charts: they don't measure total wealth, only relative wealth. In other words, they don't demonstrate a drop in total wealth for the middle class (and the second has nothing to do with the middle class at all). And, of course, no such chart could exist, because standards of living have risen across the board over the last 30 years. We're all wealthier now.

The fact that the pie is bigger is far more important than what size each group's slice is. Whether you're poor, middle class, or wealthy, you have more pie than you did 30 years ago. That's good. Focusing only on the disparity of wealth is, frankly, just an abstract form of class warfare.

All three charts have significant spikes in the 90s, a decade widely viewed as being highly prosperous and often lauded particularly by people who feel the same way towards income disparity as you do. The fact that we've seen such incredibly economic growth at a time when these ratios have risen is an argument for supply-side policies, not against them.
I understand what you're saying. Sure, there has been an increase in wealth disparity, but the pie itself has grown bigger. Everyone is better off, it's just that the rich are even more better off.

However, the data shows that most spending is going to necessities, not their Netflix accounts.




This is what wages look like compared to health care costs.



Sure, there are some really cool things available, and we are lucky to have them. But the middle class is being left behind.



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I notice something very interesting about all three charts: they don't measure total wealth, only relative wealth. In other words, they don't demonstrate a drop in total wealth for the middle class (and the second has nothing to do with the middle class at all). And, of course, no such chart could exist, because standards of living have risen across the board over the last 30 years. We're all wealthier now.
Are you? It`s all the same in the western world right now. It`s like it`s always have been. Tell me what is fair about a CEO, who is earning 260 times more than a humble worker! People will never understand that. There are only a few men out there, who can pay affords like this back by their work (contacts, innovations, whatever). The gold rush is over. But they still stake the claims. Reagan, Thatcher, Schröder and the others ... they all helped the stumbling economies of their countries to get on its feet again - by worsen the living conditions of millions. Capitalism isn`t wrong, but it has a huge and well-earned image problem and is heavily damaged. Don`t hate the game, hate the players!



I understand what you're saying. Sure, there has been an increase in wealth disparity, but the pie itself has grown bigger. Everyone is better off, it's just that the rich are even more better off.

However, the data shows that most spending is going to necessities, not their Netflix accounts.




This is what wages look like compared to health care costs.



Sure, there are some really cool things available, and we are lucky to have them. But the middle class is being left behind.
I can't really make anything of those without some source or scale. The first one doesn't even have a time frame or means of comparison. Can you expound a bit on what these actually are and where they came from?

Though I can point out, right off the bat, that the second one is a bit flawed because "worker's earnings" doesn't account for increases in technology, which is what wealth actually is.



Yes. This should be immediately apparent. The gadgets and comforts we can obtain per hour of work is far greater than it was 30 years ago. Dramatically.

Tell me what is fair about a CEO, who is earning 260 times more than a humble worker! People will never understand that. There are only a few men out there, who can pay affords like this back by their work (contacts, innovations, whatever).
Two things:

1) Very few people can manage multi-billion dollar international corporations. Jobs of incredible importance attract high salaries, same as famous athletes or movie stars. When a lot of money hinges on something, people spend a lot to ensure that it's in good hands. A "humble worker" has less unique skills, and is paid less. How is this not fair, is the real question? The opposite would be bizarre. Or are you suggesting that a CEO making 100 times as much is okay, but 260 times is somehow beyond the pale?

2) It's "fair" because that's what people decide to pay the CEOs with their own money, either the owner of the company or shareholders, collectively. It wouldn't be "fair" to tell these people that they can't.

Reagan, Thatcher, Schröder and the others ... they all helped the stumbling economies of their countries to get on its feet again - by worsen the living conditions of millions.
By what measure?

Capitalism isn`t wrong, but it has a huge and well-earned image problem and is heavily damaged. Don`t hate the game, hate the players!
Oh, it absolutely has an image problem right now. But it has it because people talk about economics without bothering to understand it, and throw out all sorts of shaky claims and non-sequiturs. Capitalism will always have this problem because people have short memories, little desire to understand these issues, and it's easy to villify people making a lot of money. Populism will always be able to take a bite out of capitalism, even while we're in the midst of enjoying its fruits.



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I will get back on that later, but for millions and millions the fruits of capitalism are tasting very bitter right now. And as a non-pro, I´m not sure, that is because of a malfunction in the system - or because of the system.



I can't really make anything of those without some source or scale. The first one doesn't even have a time frame or means of comparison. Can you expound a bit on what these actually are and where they came from?

Though I can point out, right off the bat, that the second one is a bit flawed because "worker's earnings" doesn't account for increases in technology, which is what wealth actually is.
I will get this information later. Another flaw with the 2nd chart is that it doesn't differentiate between what the CEOs spending habits look like vs the guy working a checkstand. When I have time I'll try and find more.

What I can say is that studies have shown that with middle class families, real wages have barely kept up with the cost of living. Even so, this is only because people work more hours (ie. overtime and double incomes). If you take male worker's earnings, wages have dropped (in other words, now wives work in order to make up for this loss). Keep in mind this tacks on other costs like child care, which partially offset this increased income.

Automation no doubt plays some part in this, especially when dealing with manufacturing plants. But the real disparity has happened within educated circles (think hedge fund managers as opposed to teachers). I don't have access to all of this data anymore but I can probably Google around and find more assets.



1) Very few people can manage multi-billion dollar international corporations. Jobs of incredible importance attract high salaries, same as famous athletes or movie stars. When a lot of money hinges on something, people spend a lot to ensure that it's in good hands. A "humble worker" has less unique skills, and is paid less. How is this not fair, is the real question? The opposite would be bizarre. Or are you suggesting that a CEO making 100 times as much is okay, but 260 times is somehow beyond the pale?
I'm sure everyone is in agreement that CEOs deserve to make more. The problem is when the disparity grows so large that the workers who's hard work makes the CEOs salary possible to begin with can barely keep up with the costs of living. In the 1960s the CEOs made about 40X what their workers made, now it;s more like 400X (at least as of 07).



2) It's "fair" because that's what people decide to pay the CEOs with their own money, either the owner of the company or shareholders, collectively. It wouldn't be "fair" to tell these people that they can't.

And left unfettered, execs will always have the upperhand in negotiating a piece of the pie. CEOs often have the ability to choose who sits on a board. Imagine the President of the United States being allowed to appoint his own Senators and House Members to Congress. The virtue of checks and balances (more to the point, 'fairness') would be meaningless.

Unions, for all their flaws, at least have the ability to bargain for a better deal for workers...hence...




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1)Very few people can manage multi-billion dollar international corporations. Jobs of incredible importance attract high salaries, same as famous athletes or movie stars. When a lot of money hinges on something, people spend a lot to ensure that it's in good hands. A "humble worker" has less unique skills, and is paid less. How is this not fair, is the real question? The opposite would be bizarre. Or are you suggesting that a CEO making 100 times as much is okay, but 260 times is somehow beyond the pale?

2) It's "fair" because that's what people decide to pay the CEOs with their own money, either the owner of the company or shareholders, collectively. It wouldn't be "fair" to tell these people that they can't.

Who are "the people"? The employees? A regulatory authority? Or other managers, who benefits from doing each other a favour? Before the end of communism, a CEO received about 20 times more than a "humble" worker. My common sense says: That is right. This guy works really hard, is probably smart, got some connections and good instincts. He bears much responsibility and has to take part in strange rites, beginning in college, ending in own office with a mean little putsch and a heart attack (if unlucky). So I get my 1000 Euro and he takes 24000. Okay. But 300 times more wage than a hard working man or woman is far too much, it`s obscene. President Obama has plans to set up a regularity and a fitting department, which has the order to control the international markets. There is noy way, that this is ever gonna happen. What is the real difference between the manager of a small company and the CEO of a global player? Thing like advanced skills, good advice, background, capital and pure luck. It`s a small circle. but it`s not as small, as they want us to believe. It´s weak feudalism. You justify this enormous sums, by comparing managers with sport stars and movie stars. This is exactly the neo-liberal Zeitgeist and it makes not much sense. It`s not a real sport, neither a real show-biz. It`s about money and jobs and (the lack of) responsibility.

By what measure?

For Reagan .- you should know what he has done better than me. Supporting of dictatorships, a big increase of the military expenditure, wasted money for an utopic satellite-based defending-system. He established the "Trickle Down-Theory" - and look how it works! He tripled the national debt. Thatcher did also cut the social systems, but lowered the tax rates for high-incomes, companies and the industry. She marginalized the power of the state and the unions. The stats of her first legislatur periode were horrible - oil saved her ass. Gerhard Schröder ****ed the german social system in a similar bad way. So, a great stock of low-profiled, low-incomes has established. Wages for "simple" workers are sinking constantly. Temporary employment and insecure conditions are almost common. It´s the big time of the small wages now. Many people actually are not capable of earning their own living, even while they have got full-time jobs! That`s obscene. 300 times more than this people is wrong.

Oh, it absolutely has an image problem right now. But it has it because people talk about economics without bothering to understand it, and throw out all sorts of shaky claims and non-sequiturs. Capitalism will always have this problem because people have short memories, little desire to understand these issues, and it's easy to villify people making a lot of money. Populism will always be able to take a bite out of capitalism, even while we're in the midst of enjoying its fruits.
It`s will always be the same procedure an the same result: Neo- liberals are pushing the economy for a short periode of time, straining the middle class and the poor, making the riches richer. People are told to make sacrifies. At the same time banks and hedgefonds are playing Casino Royal with trusted money. There is safetyplan for companies and banks, cause they are "too big to fail", but there is no plan for normal citizens. If all the money I have spared my whole life, was wasted by a Greenspan-fan in a hip buisness suit, I wouldn`t be happy at all. Managers receiving millions of dollar pay-off for...what? For losing billions of dollars? For the heavy weight of the crown? For building up destructable bubbles once in a while? For ruining companies, which survived decades and centuries in just a few years? Almost a quarter of the world capital was burned in 2009, whole stated almost got bankrupt. You can`t constantly grow for a long time period without taking the money from somewhere. Means: From someone.So you can doubt the accuracy of the charts - but without control, capitalism is like a force of nature. Everyone is vulnerable now. Detroit is a good example. What about the GM-managers? Are they taking responsibility or did someone in charge took them out of the team, for ****ing things up? You don`t have to be a hippie to vaguely remember a time when things were different., when the world was not of Gordon Gekko`s fantasies. Maybe someone in charge should try to control parts of it. Obama has the power and I think he is on a good way. Health insurance for everyone is common in most western europe countries, it works and it`s no socialism! It`s not about losing control, it`s about solidarity. I`m not even talkin about radical ideas, like the tobin-tax. But what`s wrong with limitations of manager-wages? Or health-insurance for everyone? Or electronic health care reports (in every country)? The status quo will betray the social peace in the near future. On a long scale, it`s a bigger threat than terrorism ever was. Obama is no messiah, but his administration is able to change certain things.



I notice something very interesting about all three charts: they don't measure total wealth, only relative wealth. In other words, they don't demonstrate a drop in total wealth for the middle class (and the second has nothing to do with the middle class at all). And, of course, no such chart could exist, because standards of living have risen across the board over the last 30 years. We're all wealthier now.

The fact that the pie is bigger is far more important than what size each group's slice is. Whether you're poor, middle class, or wealthy, you have more pie than you did 30 years ago. That's good. Focusing only on the disparity of wealth is, frankly, just an abstract form of class warfare.

All three charts have significant spikes in the 90s, a decade widely viewed as being highly prosperous and often lauded particularly by people who feel the same way towards income disparity as you do. The fact that we've seen such incredibly economic growth at a time when these ratios have risen is an argument for supply-side policies, not against them.
Another interesting thing is that the source of one of the earlier charts was given as the Center on Budget and Policy Prioritities which is described online as one of three left wing think tanks (the other two being the Center for American Progress and the Economic Policy Institute) funded by the Democratic Alliance, which is described as a "donor collaborative" founded by liberal political activists and labor unions.

Small wonder they see management salaries as being so out of line with workers' wages.

I enjoy the frequent references to CEOs as opposed to "the working man," as though the CEO and other members of upper management simply sit on their butts all day robbing the "workers" of their rightful pay. But if it wasn't for upper management obtaining the funding, the markets, the machinery, and building the factories and offices, obtaining the raw materials and arranging transportation of the finished product to various outlets, the "workers" wouldn't have a job to go to nor anyone to sign their paychecks. It takes as long or longer to develop an efficient and experienced CEO as it does an efficient and experienced doctor, an efficient and experienced dentist, an efficient and experienced lawyer, an efficient and experienced contractor, or an efficient and experienced airline pilot. Would you want the worker at the front desk to fly the plane, build your home, defend you in a lawsuit, drill your teeth, or treat your cancer? Then why do people assume just anyone can run a modern corporation??? A good CEO earns his pay and increases yours in the process. A bad CEO can put you both out on the street.



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I did get a bit weepy when he got elected, and I think he's a good guy personally and all that. However, the machine is so big and global and complex that you wonder how much effect 1 man (even the prez) can really have on it.
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