Why is Parasite nominated for best picture, when it's a foreign film?

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Oh okay, makes sense. Well I don't think that choosing Parasite for best picture was 'woke', like some people online are saying, cause Parasite is one of the best movies I've ever seen on the first couple of viewings so far. So I think it was chosen just because it was very good, and they had a good time with it.

If they had chosen a movie like say... Ip Man 4: The Finale, as best picture, then you could probably say they went woke?
I haven't seen Parasite but most MoFos seem to love it, so I assume it won Best Picture because it was the Best Picture nominated. Personally I'm getting tired of all the tribalism going on these days (I don't mean you Ironpony, I mean the woke movement in general)



Foreign language films don't deserve to be in the Oscars. Last time I checked, this was America. The Oscars are in America. Land of the english speakers.
Indeed.

I actually think it would be better if they blocked any non-English movie from nomination to any Oscars except foreign language oscar. Why? Because Academy Award is a ceremony for the American film industry so nothing more natural to block everything else from being nominated. The Japanese Academy Prize (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Academy_Film_Prize) for instance only nominate Japanese films. It is not xenophobia to do what they do with the Japanese Academy Prize: it is only recognition of what it actually IS. They should do just like the Japanese awards and make the award to be officially about the US film industry, also they should include "American" in the name, so it is "American Academy Award".

I really don't like this thing they have where they pretend it is not a ceremony for the American film industry so instead of just officially blocking non-English films they nominate 99% of the time English language movies and from time to time a non-English language movie shows up (yes, it is that degree of biased proportion). Why do that? It is hypocritical.



This certainly took a xenophobic turn.
Nowhere does it say ďAmericanĒ in the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
Itís about the best films (supposedly) released pure and simple. This is far reaching.



This is well worth watching.

One interesting thing is that Parasyte was very similar to Joker (unlike all other movies nominated): both are movies about people down in the social hierarchy being looked down by the people up in the hierarchy.

I think that Joker is actually the most realistic film of the two in the sense that it talks about the social hierarchy from the perspective of the people down in the hierarchy while Parasyte talks about poor people from the perspective of the elite. Also, Joker associates the conditions of being down the social hierarchy with suffering from mental illness and other kinds of issues while Parasyte just assumes that the people up and down in the hierarchy are just "there" without any reason.

Parasyte also assumes that poor people down in the hierarchy have a strong class identity and consciousness so they can feel insulted to the point of killing a rich person if that rich person insults another poor person by being disgusted by that poor person's corpse. Which is obviously nonsense. Joker is also fantasy but its fantastical elements are part of an organized mythology and it describes social conflict in a more realistic multidimensional manner. In that sense, Joker functions better both as a realistic film about social problems as well as a piece of entertainment.

Also, the youtuber was mad because Parasyte was not very popular in the US. Guess what? Pretty much any movie that is not a Marvel superhero movie was seen by less than 3% of the US population in theaters.



Letís also remember that the Oscars arenít the be all end all in awards just because itís in ĎMerica.
Several countries have their own ďOscarsĒ such as The Cesar (France), Blue Dragon, Grand Bell, Baeksang arts awards (South Korea), Aacta (Australia), BAFTA (England), Goya (Spain), Ariel (Mexico), Guldbagge (Sweden), Golden Horse (Taiwan), Donatello(Italy), Canadian Screen Awards (guess), and the Robert Awards (Denmark). And many more in China and Japan and Honk Kong and European Film Awards.
Oscars are just ours.
Do they nominate American films often? Donít know, would have to check, but probably not. But why would that matter? Weíve always been a country that has recognized the influences of the others in our films for so long, why not include them in our own awards ceremonies? They donít have to do the same at all, this isnít quid pro quo afterall.
Did anyone ever object to the myriad of British films that have won the Oscar? (Nooooooo.....but but but....they speak English!). Ok, has anyone ever complained about Milos Forman, a Director from Czechoslovakia, winning best director and best picture twice? (TWICE!). If your response is ďBut they speak English!Ē just stop. Because ifs thatís your argument, it isnít about the film itself.
Itís about your narrow view on other countries.



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Indeed.

I actually think it would be better if they blocked any non-English movie from nomination to any Oscars except foreign language oscar. Why? Because Academy Award is a ceremony for the American film industry so nothing more natural to block everything else from being nominated. The Japanese Academy Prize (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Academy_Film_Prize) for instance only nominate Japanese films. It is not xenophobia to do what they do with the Japanese Academy Prize: it is only recognition of what it actually IS. They should do just like the Japanese awards and make the award to be officially about the US film industry, also they should include "American" in the name, so it is "American Academy Award".
In a way I agree. Keep it all American. Then there can be no accusations of bias or wokeness or whatever.

But they need to change the name of the award and maybe the ceremony. Best picture implies best film from anywhere.

I really don't like this thing they have where they pretend it is not a ceremony for the American film industry
They have to, if they want films like 1917, The English Patient, The Piano, The King's Speech amongst the nominees though. I'd be fine with excluding them all though and just having films from the USA involved. Because, you're right in a way, they are pretending - I'd love to see the % of films nominated for all awards in Oscar history that are made in L.A.



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One interesting thing is that Parasyte was very similar to Joker (unlike all other movies nominated): both are movies about people down in the social hierarchy being looked down by the people up in the hierarchy.

I think that Joker is actually the most realistic film of the two in the sense that it talks about the social hierarchy from the perspective of the people down in the hierarchy while Parasyte talks about poor people from the perspective of the elite. Also, Joker associates the conditions of being down the social hierarchy with suffering from mental illness and other kinds of issues while Parasyte just assumes that the people up and down in the hierarchy are just "there" without any reason.
Parasite is shown almost entirely from the perspective of its poor characters, though - very few scenes actually centre on the rich characters. The whole first half is basically a heist film starring the poor family and even its big reveal is really just the introduction of more poor people who present a new conflict that plays out without the rich characters even noticing until the end of the film. The arbitrariness of each group's place on the social hierarchy is also kind of the point, though the pizza box scene would also indicate that there are greater economic problems at play (just like in Joker, really) - if the best job any of the Kims can get is folding pizza boxes, then how are they supposed to improve their station in life?

Parasyte also assumes that poor people down in the hierarchy have a strong class identity and consciousness so they can feel insulted to the point of killing a rich person if that rich person insults another poor person by being disgusted by that poor person's corpse. Which is obviously nonsense. Joker is also fantasy but its fantastical elements are part of an organized mythology and it describes social conflict in a more realistic multidimensional manner. In that sense, Joker functions better both as a realistic film about social problems as well as a piece of entertainment.
Which is why Parasite takes the time to repeatedly reference the smell and turn it into a microaggression against the poor characters that only gets worse and worse as the film progresses, ultimately leading to one of them snapping under already-stressful circumstances (remember that Mr. Kim is trying to keep his daughter from bleeding to death while an unconcerned Mr. Park is not only demanding his car keys from Mr. Kim but also takes the time to react to the other guy's smell). The problem with Joker is that the character's mythology means that the conclusion is foregone and you spend the whole movie waiting for this obviously-unstable guy to snap, to say nothing of how he's an unreliable narrator or the various contrivances or how any attempt to address social problems is skimmed over in order to focus far too closely on his individual drama (psychiatrist got budget cuts? sorry can't hear it over him complaining that his psychiatrist doesn't listen to him anyway) so I can't buy the claim that it's better at being realistic.
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"Realistic" isn't the word I'd use, but as previously indicated I do find the distinct reaction to the two pretty telling. While there are plenty of perfectly good cinematic reasons to make distinctions between the two (duh), it's hard to imagine cultural/political sympathies aren't factoring in somewhat. Not in terms of liking one or not the other (or liking Parasite more), but specifically in floating ideas about one being trenchant and the other being dangerous.
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Perhaps, though I'm mostly just criticising the idea that Parasite is the less realistic film simply because it's not as outright didactic as Joker.



Well as far as realism goes, I would say Parasite and Joker are both about the same as realism goes. The only part of Parasite I found perhaps not realistic is an underground area to a house as in the movie. However, it was said in the movie that rich places in that city have bomb shelters, so maybe it's more common in South Korea?

But other than that, I would say realism is about the same. I found Parasite to be a lot more entertaining, probably because it was an original story, with surprises, where as Joker, you pretty much know what's going to happen, since it's based off other material.