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The mass media news camera he was looking into when he said "Yeah, I'm immunized."?
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yeah, i get the frustration with Aaron Rodgers, but that doesn't seem like much of a reason to perpetuate the same nonsense that HE believes in.
I agree that there isn't a good reason to perpetuate the nonsense of his misinformed beliefs. Which is why I'm less irritated but his initial ruse than I am on how his response to this has been to double-down on perpetuating his nonsensical beliefs. I don't care about changing his personal beliefs, but I do feel like fact-checking those beliefs which can be factually refuted.
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I'm just going to keep this going as it pertains to Rodgers are the rest of the coronavirus stuff isn't very interesting to me and we're never going to come to an agreement. Thankfully this news cycle has just about run it's course.
He definitely tried to mislead the public/media but I don't care. You do and that's fine. A lot of folks are with you. Misinformation is nothing but a buzzword to me. I think you're misinformed and you think I am. Stalemate.
Medical records are private, no? Rodgers mentioned the medical exemption on the McAfee show and said they would allow a medical exemption but he would still be considered unvaccinated and would have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. What he's allergic to is his business, not mine or yours or anyone else.
The only things I linked to so far are the CDC and an MSN article quoting the head of the CDC. I wouldn't call them dubious. Oh and Rogan explaining exactly what he did to beat the infection and Marshawn Lynch being awesome.
Anyway, my sources for the Rodgers hullabaloo is the Rodgers-McAfee conversation, which is everybody's only source and is something which you seem to be reacting to through soundbites and headlines. Most of what you have stated about Rodgers treatments pre and post covid were not true.
As for Rogan, I don't listen to or watch his stuff. Always thought he was kind of annoying and don't think he's funny at all. I have seen bits of his shows on youtube if he has a guest on that I'm interested in. You seemed to be confused as to when Rogan (and Rodgers) started his treatments and I thought hearing from the horses mouth and what he did post infection would clear things up.
And yet Rodgers, after that, still went in front of the public on Aug. 26 and said "Yeah, I'm immunized".
"Fooling the public" is exactly what I'm criticizing him out for. And for doing so by spreading covid misinformation.
"Fooling the public" is exactly what I'm criticizing him out for. And for doing so by spreading covid misinformation.
And he has not said which ingredient, which is weird, because if this were the case then Rodgers could have qualified for a valid medical exemption from the league, which he didn't ask for. And the most likely allergic ingredient in the vaccines, polyethylene glycol, would have to already be on Rodgers' medical records, as this is an ingredient in a number of commonly used NFL medications. In other words, people have good reason to be skeptical of his claim here.
Sounds like a lot of your information regarding the coronavirus, like Rodgers and Rogan, is also coming from some pretty dubious and easily refuted sources. Since it's this spread of covid misinformation that Rodgers and Rogan have been responsible for, and which I'm taking issue with, it might be nice if some of these folks get a little wiser with their informational nutrition, and get a lot more responsible in not relaying this toxic misinformation.
Anyway, my sources for the Rodgers hullabaloo is the Rodgers-McAfee conversation, which is everybody's only source and is something which you seem to be reacting to through soundbites and headlines. Most of what you have stated about Rodgers treatments pre and post covid were not true.
As for Rogan, I don't listen to or watch his stuff. Always thought he was kind of annoying and don't think he's funny at all. I have seen bits of his shows on youtube if he has a guest on that I'm interested in. You seemed to be confused as to when Rogan (and Rodgers) started his treatments and I thought hearing from the horses mouth and what he did post infection would clear things up.
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What he's allergic to is his business, not mine or yours or anyone else.
If a public figure lies in public about a public health issue, I do think that's kind of our business. At least in the sense that it's reasonable to question and criticize it. Nobody's breaking into his house demanding answers or anything though, so it remains "his business" in all but the sense that allows us to have opinions about it.
You seemed to be confused as to when Rogan (and Rodgers) started his treatments and I thought hearing from the horses mouth and what he did post infection would clear things up.
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^ the above is just me trying to clarify a few things. I grant there might be a genuine impasse and all that, but I just thought I saw a couple of places where people were maybe talking past each other a little.
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I'm just going to keep this going as it pertains to Rodgers are the rest of the coronavirus stuff isn't very interesting to me and we're never going to come to an agreement.
Misinformation is nothing but a buzzword to me. I think you're misinformed and you think I am. Stalemate.
Medical records are private, no? Rodgers mentioned the medical exemption on the McAfee show and said they would allow a medical exemption but he would still be considered unvaccinated and would have to follow the unvaccinated protocols. What he's allergic to is his business, not mine or yours or anyone else.
The only things I linked to so far are the CDC and an MSN article quoting the head of the CDC. I wouldn't call them dubious.
Most of what you have stated about Rodgers treatments pre and post covid were not true.
To the larger issue, and the tumor, if it involved something other than a public health crisis that's killed more Americans than all 20th century wars combined, it would be amusing at the obstinance to evidence from those like Rogan and Rodgers, and more generally the anti-vaxx community, in which people who have been as consistently wrong as someone like Joe Rogan (or Elon Musk, or Rand Paul, or Scott Atlas) are so incapable of just saying, "Welp, looks like I was wrong". This is unfortunately a cultural development which is political in nature, and it's precisely the kind of political issue that the forum's policy is designed to discourage because once facts and evidence become arbitrary, then there ceases to be a good faith willingness to consider them.
(ps: I think this exchange has been fairly cordial, so don't take it personally.)
I mean, if we think he's lying, it's a reasonable thing to wonder about, since it a) sounds kind of implausible and b) we already know he lied ("misled," if you prefer, but the key point is deliberate deception).
If a public figure lies in public about a public health issue, I do think that's kind of our business. At least in the sense that it's reasonable to question and criticize it. Nobody's breaking into his house demanding answers or anything though, so it remains "his business" in all but the sense that allows us to have opinions about it.
You probably know a little about Rodgers. The media has fawned for years over how intelligent he is and how cryptic his press conference answers could be. He gives one of his cryptic answers about vaccination and no follow up? That's on the media. Especially the locals who have been around him since he joined the NFL. The question is did he lie. I prefer misled but if you like lie okay. If he thought the treatments he took provided the same amount of protection as the vaccine is he lying? At that point, according to Rodgers, who I'll admit could be lying, the NFL hadn't ruled on those treatments. The NFL has been pretty quiet, aside from the fines, but I haven't heard them deny what Rodgers said about the timeline. But I also think they (NFL) are hoping this goes away asap.
I think he made clear in the previous post, though, that he mistrusts what they're saying. I didn't think there was much dispute over what was said. I recall him also saying that Rogan did a bunch of different things, so ascribing recovery to any one of them wouldn't really be logical. Even if everything he's saying is true (and he has a history of just...saying stuff), he threw too many variables at the problem and there would be no way to know which was effective (or whether it was some weird combination of them).
As somebody who follows sports and football do you really believe that the NFL didn't know the vaccination status of the reigning MVP of the NFL?
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Likewise, I really couldn't care less about Rodgers personally. But, you know, since this is a thread about coronavirus, I suppose I'll continue talking about that.
I've been going by Rodgers' medical information that he has chosen to make public. Had Rodgers done like Cousins or others, privately informed the NFL of his unvaccinated status, quietly complied with protocols, and ended up with an infection, I doubt the backlash against him would have been so sharp.
I was referring to the unlinked sources where you got the impression that vaccinated players may be a greater risk of spreading covid than the unvaccinated, or the impression that the vaccine's harm to male fertility is a valid concern worth respecting.
"The newly released report showing that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders drove the recent decision by the CDC to once again recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors where case counts are high or substantial.
The viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday."
"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...-19/ar-AAML2bE
The viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday."
"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...-19/ar-AAML2bE
I shared Rodgers concern about fertility. I don't give a hoot about the impact the vaccine may or may not have on fertility. I'm past the age of worrying about that.
(ps: I think this exchange has been fairly cordial, so don't take it personally.)
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You were the first person to mention him and that's the only reason I'm even here.
I linked a source.
I shared Rodgers concern about fertility. I don't give a hoot about the impact the vaccine may or may not have on fertility. I'm past the age of worrying about that.
That article explicitly states that the vaccines affect neither male nor female fertility.
This is the article you linked to. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but where in this article does it mention men's fertility at all?
"False and misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines, fertility and miscarriages are still circulating online, despite not being supported by evidence.
Doctors are extremely cautious about what they recommend during pregnancy, so the original advice was to avoid the jab.
But now, so much safety data has become available that this advice has changed and the vaccine is now actively encouraged (as getting Covid itself can put a pregnancy at risk).
We have looked at some of the more persistent claims - and why they are wrong.
A study shows the vaccine accumulating in the ovaries - False
This theory comes from a misreading of a study submitted to the Japanese regulator.
The study involved giving rats a much higher dose of vaccine than that given to humans (1,333 times higher).
Only 0.1% of the total dose ended up in the animals' ovaries, 48 hours after injection.
Far more - 53% after one hour and 25% after 48 hours - was found at the injection site (in humans, usually the arm). The next most common place was the liver (16% after 48 hours), which helps get rid of waste products from the blood.
The vaccine is delivered using a bubble of fat containing the virus's genetic material, which kick-starts the body's immune system.
And those promoting this claim cherry-picked a figure which actually referred to the concentration of fat found in the ovaries.
Fat levels in the ovaries did increase in the 48 hours after the jab, as the vaccine contents moved from the injection site around the body.
But, crucially, there was no evidence it still contained the virus's genetic material.
We don't know what happened after 48 hours as that was the limit of the study.
Monitoring data shows vaccines cause miscarriages - False
Some posts have highlighted miscarriages reported to vaccine-monitoring schemes, including the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) Yellow Card scheme in the UK and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) in the US.
Anyone can report symptoms or health conditions they experience after being vaccinated. Not everyone will choose to report, so this is a self-selecting database.
There were indeed miscarriages reported in these databases - they are unfortunately common events - but this does not mean the jab caused them.
A study has found data showing the miscarriage rate among vaccinated people was in line with the rate expected in the general population - 12.5%.
Dr Victoria Male, a reproductive immunologist at Imperial College London, says these reporting systems are very good for spotting side-effects from the vaccine that are normally rare in the general population - that's how a specific type of blood clot was linked in some rare cases to the AstraZeneca vaccine.
If you suddenly start seeing unusual symptoms in vaccinated people, it raises a red flag.
- The unfounded claims about vaccines and fertility
- True stories, fake claims about periods and the vaccine
They are not so good at monitoring side-effects that are common in the population - such as changes to periods, miscarriages and heart problems. Seeing them in the data doesn't necessarily raise these red flags because you'd expect to see them anyway, vaccine or not.
It's only if we start getting many more miscarriages than are seen in unvaccinated people that this data would prompt an investigation - and that's not been the case so far.
Some people have also shared graphs showing a big rise in the overall number of people reporting their experiences to these schemes compared with previous years, for other vaccines and drugs.
This has been used to imply the Covid vaccine is less safe. But the rise can't tell us that, it can only tell us that lots of people are reporting - possibly because an unprecedented proportion of the population is being vaccinated and it is a much talked-about subject.
Vaccines could attack the placenta - No evidence
A widely shared petition from Michael Yeadon, a scientific researcher who has made other misleading statements about Covid, claimed the coronavirus's spike protein contained within the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines was similar to a protein called syncytin-1, involved in forming the placenta.
He speculated that this might cause antibodies against the virus to attack a developing pregnancy, too.
Some experts believe this was the origin of the whole belief that Covid vaccines might harm fertility.
In fact syncytin-1 and the coronavirus's spike protein are just about as similar as any two random proteins so there is no real reason to believe the body might confuse them.
But now evidence has been gathered to help disprove his theory.
US fertility doctor Randy Morris, who wanted to respond directly to the concerns he'd heard, began monitoring his patients who were undergoing IVF treatment to see whether vaccination made any difference to their chances of a successful pregnancy.
Out of 143 people in Dr Morris's study, vaccinated, unvaccinated and previously infected women were about equally likely to have a successful embryo implantation and for the pregnancy to continue to term. The women were similar in most other respects.
The study is small, but it adds to a large volume of other evidence - and were the claim true, you would expect that to show up even in a study of this size.
Dr Morris pointed out that people spreading these fears had not explained why they believed antibodies produced in response to the vaccine could harm fertility but the same antibodies from a natural infection would not.
The problem is, while scientists are rushing to provide evidence to reassure people, by the time they can report their findings people online have moved on to the next thing.
As Dr Morris explained: "The hallmark of a conspiracy theory is as soon as it's disproven, you move the goalpost.""
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Here's a study posted on 9-21 on the effects of the vaccine on sperm count. It's a small study but it's something.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8446925/
Fertility is something I never cared much about as far as vaccines go although I think it should definitely be studied before going into widespread use. It wouldn't have been a deciding factor for me as to getting the vaccine or not unless it made things fall off, which I'm sure would have been reported somewhere. Anyway, this discussion piqued my curiosity regarding fertility and the above study is one of them I came across.
The study's conclusion: "After receiving the two doses of the vaccines, we did not observe a clinically significant sperm parameter decline within the cohort, suggesting the vaccines do not negatively impact male fertility potential."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8446925/
Fertility is something I never cared much about as far as vaccines go although I think it should definitely be studied before going into widespread use. It wouldn't have been a deciding factor for me as to getting the vaccine or not unless it made things fall off, which I'm sure would have been reported somewhere. Anyway, this discussion piqued my curiosity regarding fertility and the above study is one of them I came across.
The study's conclusion: "After receiving the two doses of the vaccines, we did not observe a clinically significant sperm parameter decline within the cohort, suggesting the vaccines do not negatively impact male fertility potential."
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Was talking to a neighbor yesterday inside a gas station. Was trying to direct her to someone who could help her with her apartment issues. Talked to her for about 10 minutes.
Walking home today remembering this & suddenly remembered this woman is not vaccinated. She wore a mask yesterday, but I didn’t.
Walking home today remembering this & suddenly remembered this woman is not vaccinated. She wore a mask yesterday, but I didn’t.
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I’m here only on Mondays, Wednesdays & Fridays. That’s why I’m here now.
I’m here only on Mondays, Wednesdays & Fridays. That’s why I’m here now.
Was talking to a neighbor yesterday inside a gas station. Was trying to direct her to someone who could help her with her apartment issues. Talked to her for about 10 minutes.
Walking home today remembering this & suddenly remembered this woman is not vaccinated. She wore a mask yesterday, but I didn’t.
Walking home today remembering this & suddenly remembered this woman is not vaccinated. She wore a mask yesterday, but I didn’t.
The more I think about this the dumber I look.
I'm just masking all of the time unless I'm in my home or the home of a family member. If I start being masked some of the time and unmasked at other times, my brain will not be able to handle it.
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I'm just masking all of the time unless I'm in my home or the home of a family member. If I start being masked some of the time and unmasked at other times, my brain will not be able to handle it.
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I don't usually wear a mask when I'm outside, though as we get further into winter I may start doing it just for the warmth, but I always wear a mask when I'm at work or in any indoor public space. I haven't visited any family since the pandemic started and rarely go to friends' houses, but all of my friends are vaccinated so I don't bother with a mask when I do visit them.
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So the Pfizer booster shot beat the living daylights outta me this weekend. Got it Friday at lunch and woke up Saturday feeling like I'd been run over by a dump truck. Fever got to 102.2 at one point. This was my experience with the previous shots as well, so I was expecting it.
I was mostly fine by Sunday afternoon, but I hope this is my last shot for the next year at least. Ouch.
I was mostly fine by Sunday afternoon, but I hope this is my last shot for the next year at least. Ouch.
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