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Bright light. Bright light. Uh oh.
I agree with you, and I think that people can make the world better on the Nets (Bushspeak, not PNspeak) but I believe that ultimately you need to get involved to make the world better. I'm sure you do. I try to help students and my most important student is my daughter Sarah. I hope she gets mobilized because I was never that big of a Do-Gooder. I mean, I don't ever recall marching in the streets for social improvement. I'm hoping that my daughter is young enough still (she's 19) to really try to make a peaceful yet physical difference about all the subjects she's concerned with. I hope she does that from things which her Mom and Dad taught her, either by word or by action.

Sorry for going even more off-topic, but this is an old thread, isn't it?
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I agree with you, and I think that people can make the world better . . . but I believe that ultimately you need to get involved to make the world better. I'm sure you do.
Not as much as I should. I go thru spurts of activity, get fed up at banging into brick walls, quit, regroup, start again.
I try to help students and my most important student is my daughter Sarah. I hope she gets mobilized because I was never that big of a Do-Gooder. I mean, I don't ever recall marching in the streets for social improvement. I'm hoping that my daughter is young enough still (she's 19) to really try to make a peaceful yet physical difference about all the subjects she's concerned with. I hope she does that from things which her Mom and Dad taught her, either by word or by action.
Good for you. My hat is off to ya!
Sorry for going even more off-topic, but this is an old thread, isn't it?
Yeah, I don't think anyone cares . . . yet.



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I stumbled up a neat video feature whilst looking for somethen else.

Ran a search and this is where i landed. If a mod thinks this is best moved to another thread, by all means go ahead.

I just wanted to share it.

The Making Of Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid - (Full Program)



Long before the production of "Making of..." documentaries became ubiquitous during film shooting, intended to be used later as DVD Extras, Director George Roy Hill and writer William Goldman had the foresight to film a one of the earliest of this genre, about the making of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, one of the most iconic films of the modern era.

The stories told off-camera by director George Roy Hill, actors Paul Newman and Robert Redford, and writer William Goldman offer a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at the making of the classic western about the lives of two of America's most famous outlaws. Some of the experiences of bringing the film to life, both good and bad, are revealed in rare behind-the-scenes footage of this classic movie. The film is all the more unusual because it was made before any of the principals knew it would be such a box-office success
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Bright light. Bright light. Uh oh.
That's true. The Europeans would have never been able to shoot anyone if they hadn't gotten gunpowder (and spaghetti) from China. You can always say that they would have developed it themselves, but if the gunpowder-toting "Asians" had really wanted to kill the "Europeans"...



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I will vote for The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. So many twists and turns in this one that it is both an entertaining western but also an intriguing mystery (as to how it will turn out).



Westerns lost their way when the makers tried to make them look historicaly realistic. I love the old John Wayne westerns such Stage Coach, El Dorado (the first of his movies I saw at the cinema) and the Cowboys to name but a few.

But my favourite western of all time is 'How the West was Won' lots of great actors in one great film.



Well, I want a better world. If enough people want a better world it will be a better world. If enough people just throw up their hands and say "well, that's the way it is and there's nothing we can do about it", then you're right, the status quo will remain.
No, the status quo doesn't remain--nothing is forever, all things change in time. They may not change in the direction you want them to, or the way you want them to or when you want them to, but change definitely will come at some point.

As for "if enough people want a better world it will be a better world" you're making a dangerous assumption that enough people agree on the definition of better. My idea of a better world may be my group on top, your group on bottom--not exactly the better world you'd envision. Brings to mind what a seasoned politician once told me--"never encourage anyone to go to the polls unless you're damn sure which way he's gonna vote."

It's not just that the world is made up of winners and losers; it's worse--people have their own perceptions of whether they're winning or losing. So you see some who seem by your standards to have it all, yet they want more or, more honestly, they're afraid someone is gonna get some of what they already have. And there are those who have little or nothing who say, "I'm every bit as good as you are, I deserve the things you've got, so hand them over." Then you have dozens, hundreds, thousands of different view points in between, each seeking their own better world--one with the "right" economy, the "right" religion, the "right" government, the "right" society, etc. according to what each sees as "right" for him.

It's not just a battle you fight once and--win or lose--it's settled forever. It's hundreds of battles day by day on hundreds of levels. I've fought some of those battles, sometimes in the streets where I busted noses and got my nose busted in return, sometimes by standing up against authority to show them no matter what they did, I wasn't backing down. And sometimes I've said aww, to hell with principles, I'm tired of being a target and just sat it out.

You have to choose your fights cuz you can't fight them all. And I choose not to refight what has already occurred to the poor old Indian and other aboriginal folk. They roamed the pre-Colombian West, treating each other as badly as the white man later treated them all. But now they live in cities and rural reservations. Tough. That's life. Live with it. And for revenge gouge the whites who come through your tribal casino and ski lodges on land where the tribe now makes the rules.



That's true. The Europeans would have never been able to shoot anyone if they hadn't gotten gunpowder (and spaghetti) from China. You can always say that they would have developed it themselves, but if the gunpowder-toting "Asians" had really wanted to kill the "Europeans"...
Right there you have a major difference in the relationship between Europeans, Chinese, and Indians. The Chinese invented gunpowder but for years they didn't do much more than make fireworks. Europeans traveling East picked up gunpowder from the Chinese and rather quickly saw its potential as a weapon, as the Chinese finally did. I don't know if the Chinese or the Europeans were the first to make guns, but Europeans took a shorter period to make the leap from firecrackers to weapons of mass destruction. Also there seems to have been more Western adventurers going East to trade than Easterners going West, although certainly there were travels in both directions. Could be Westerners had a greater need for eastern products than the Chinese did for Western goods. As I recall, silk was exclusive a product of the East until a Westerner smuggled out some silk worms. The big attraction, however, were spices which were extremely important in a period without reliable refrigeration.

On the other hand, when Europeans came to the Americas, they traded guns and gunpowder to the Indians, but the Indians never learned to make either as the Europeans had learned from the Chinese. The Indians liked the metal pots and knives and glass beads and other trinkets the Europeans traded them but never learned to make those, either, and thus were never able to compete on the same playing field with the Europeans.



That's life. Live with it.
Your large multi-paragraph posts always end up with statements like this.

Your attitude makes me sad and contributes (in a small way) to my pessimistic view of humanity. Sorry, I won't just live with "it". And I realize that when I'm "out there" trying to change the world, I'm butting heads with folks with the same mind-set.



Your large multi-paragraph posts always end up with statements like this.

Your attitude makes me sad and contributes (in a small way) to my pessimistic view of humanity. Sorry, I won't just live with "it". And I realize that when I'm "out there" trying to change the world, I'm butting heads with folks with the same mind-set.
Actually, my advice to the Indians did not end with "That's Life. Live with it." I went on to say after that, "And for revenge gouge the whites who come through your tribal casino and ski lodges on land where the tribe now makes the rules." Seems to me they generally are cashing in on that pretty well. But all of this is connected with the point I stated early on in that post, which is that you can't go back and make history turn out differently. Since it's totally beyond human power, it's senseless to fret over it.

Now if that makes you sad and pessimistic, just excuse me all to hell cause I'm very optimistic about people myself. If you knew more about people you wouldn't make sweeping assumptions about same mind sets. I've gone to the mat for issues in real times when it mattered and stood up for causes in places where it was neither popular nor safe.



. . . excuse me all to hell
OK. You're excused.



Even though the Lone Ranger is one of my top favorite fictional characters, I have never considered myself to be much of a western fan, but a good movie is a good movie regardless of genre. Some of the westerns I really like (besides the 1950s Lone Ranger movies) include:

Silverado
Tombstone
Young Guns & Young Guns II
Big Jake

My question is, why are they remaking True Grit? Wasn't the John Wayne version good enough?
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The greatest western of all-time is also my all-time favorite of any genre...Unforgiven. The most perfect movie...ever.
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