Spectre (Bond 24)

There's just no accounting for taste.

They'd make my top 10, I guess.

Oh, definitely.

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I thought Casino Royale was great when it came out but I actually watched it twice (in bits) recently and I was disappointing. In particular I thought the direction and editing were poor, cut cut cut etc. and the last act with Craig and Green was particularly bad, it could have ended half an hour before it did, and the whole water scene I thought was silly. The first half, and the poker stuff was enjoyable though. I also watched Skyfall again, probably seen it three or four times now, I thought it was great when I saw it in the cinema, and I still enjoy it, but not as much as I did. Where as I watched the older films and thought they still held up, even the Roger Moore films and their appeal.

Should be going to see Spectre in the cinema tomorrow, looking forward to it. Looks like it should be fun, I've heard it opens with a Touch of Evil esque sequence.

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Agree with the above Daniel. Although I've walked out the cinema after all the Daniel Craig films and been either disappointed or thought they were simply OK. I don't understand all the high scores Casino and Skyfall get.

As you say the older ones (most of them) hold up better than anything other than Goldeneye I feel.

Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Spy Who Loved Me are the "Top" Bond films imo.

Then there are still a bunch of really good ones behind that, Live and Let Die, Goldeneye come to mind. However Skyfall, Casino Royale and I suspect Spectre are in the next category.

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I honestly don't see the hate for Quantum of Solace. I loved it, even though I agree it is the worst of the three Craig films. I expect Spectre to be awesome as well.

problem with quantum of solace is that it has its moments of brilliance, of atmospheric bond, some scenes are really good, like for example the build up to the austrian opera house part, there i really found it very good and the music i remember was very good, but the main problem is the whole editing of the film, it just doesnt feel coherent all along, it feels mumbled horribly cut.but i agree it has some really nice parts, i saw it 3 times actually, and everytime i feel the same feeling. like some places its superb and others feel incoherent. the ending was lame i would say, but the final scene is great with the music and ends with the neckless on the ice.

I tried revisiting Quantum of Solace earlier this year, watching it for the first time since seeing it in theatres. I was not impressed. Rambond's criticisms are pretty spot-on in that it is choppy and incoherent, but I'd also argue that it's quite possibly the most flat-out boring Bond film.

I give the movie a 7/10 but i have to mention that the movie isnt strong enough. The movie suffers from issues.
Spoiler warning !!!!!!!
Monica belucci is underused here very little screen time for her.
Little character development
Mr hinx need more screen time
Bond escapes a bit too easy at times skyfall was better at escapades
I dont want to be too critical
Have your say and ur opinion abt my thoughts if they are right

Seen it so far once & it was the first day first show of Nov 6 and that turned out a high disappointment. SPECTRE terribly lacked 'Bond-momentum' or Wow moments, mostly in terms of action sequences which I found very average at best for a Bond movie. The opening segment at the Mexico city was decently done but nothing spectacular and for the rest of the movie, as Sony Hack implied, it quite clearly felt like 'Bond 24' frustratingly suffered for budgetary restrictions and thus it not only lacked intense action parts but also in terms of location and particularly the set for Spectre headquarter or Blofeld's premise. I was expecting to see some great & iconic set design & location for both Blofeld's den & the final act.

Though I'm a huge fan of CASINO ROYALE & didn't at least hate or dislike QOS & SKYFALL but the most weird thing for me was this time the dark, stylish tone of Daniel Craig era gets treated with a strangely depressing & too much offbeat mood all over. At times it was even surprisingly slow and irrationally dragged for a Bond movie. It was kind of painful to see when they finally but forcefully put the signature Bond theme at those final last shots, it was like some regular, average action flick just used that soundtrack in the background not only for some weird funny reasons but illegally as well; it felt like it was totally out of place.
SPECTRE actually had some interesting idea but sadly Mendes and his team this time completely failed to play with them creatively. I really appreciate & like their idea of gradually going back to the traditional Bond film formula with today's dark & bit realistic approach but at the same time that needed to be done as entertaining & courageously as those classics were done. As a BOND movie, you need to give us something more to cherish & talk about that the other contemporary series like Bourne or M.I. haven't done or dared to show before. I think it still very much possible to provide a typically entertaining and successful Bond movie by keeping things faithful to its tradition, style and source material but this franchise seriously need some bit more brave and imaginative writers in coming days as well as director like Martin Campbell, IMO.

I saw Spectre at the galla premiere here en Copenhagen with my girlfriend. It was odd enough to go see the show with everyone (besides me) suited up and ready to see Bond, but for an arthouse guy like me it was a big step outside my comfortzone. I can't remember seeing a Bond movie for ages, though i might have seen Skyfall and fallen a sleep to it. The whole movie seems like a ready made product easily digested for entertainment hungry audiences. The dialogue is filled with clichés and the key word for the audience would in my opinion be recognition. The general opinion of my girlfriends co-workers (book publishing firm) was that it was a complete waste of time. While the plot and dialogue was not brimmed with new ideas, i found the use of locations pretty excellent. Anyway i guess most people who are into Bond, will probably enjoy it somewhat more than us

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Spectre was basically an average Bond film. It's nostalgic, somewhat fan service and brings us back to the old Bond formula. It was enjoyable but definitely nothing spectacular. It's sad though, when one of the largest franchises in film history puts out a film and no major publication has it on their top 10 list. It's sad when Sony sinks $250 million into the budget and a pair of incompetent writers stifle the film's potential.

To be honest, as much hate as Quantum of Solace seems to get, I think it had a much clearer sense of direction in what it wanted to be, whereas Spectre was all over the place and couldn't decide what it wanted to be.

Quantum was a much more terrifying organization of invisible extortionists. SPECTRE is basically a mini-Orwellian agency ran by a guy with daddy issues. Spectre tries to revise the plots of the older Craig films to make them seem interconnected, and it copied Austin Powers plot twist for crissakes.

Is it really that sad if "major publications" don't consider a big franchise film for their end-of-year top tens? They're probably more likely to acknowledge prestige pictures than genre blockbusters, though I do admit it's pretty damning just how badly Spectre got shown up not just by other blockbusters but also other spy movies. Also, it's interesting that you single out incompetent writers as the reason for the film not reaching its potential since every Bond movie from The World Is Not Enough on has had Neal Purvis and Robert Wade do the writing (albeit with the odd co-writer, of course) so I'm not entirely sure exactly how much blame they deserve for how a given Bond film turns out.

Eh, both films are kind of stymied by how much they try to build off their previous installments. Quantum in particular feels like an extended epilogue for Casino Royale where the traditional Bond villain and conflict feels like an after-thought (in fairness, it was marred by the writers' strike and a troubled, increasingly expensive production production). The fact that it's also the shortest official Bond movie does make it seem especially underweight. Doesn't exactly excuse the flaws in Spectre, but I don't think that its problems make those in Quantum look any better in comparison.

I don't think there's that much of a difference between Quantum and SPECTRE, especially since the former is technically part of the latter. Besides, Quantum abandons the whole "evil organisation" conceit halfway through and instead focuses on Mathieu Amalric's villain alone, who isn't an especially strong antagonist in its own right. I do reckon that Spectre did stretch too hard to force a connection between every film, especially since the villain in Skyfall made so much more sense as a lone operator.

i think spectre is the worst film of the craig outings yes, i find that quantum of solace has its moments of mood and i find it very satisfying especially in those moments where marc forster got it right, the scenes where bond spies at the opera house, and after his friends dies and he goes to dump him in a dumpster, those were strong moments in the film along with the lovely score i have to say, quantum can have moody atmosphere in some scenes where i found it very enjoyable, what do u think guys am i right about the scenes?

I actually liked Spectre the most out of all the films with Craig, and it's easily his best performance in the role. It's like they took one of the campier Bond movies and played it almost completely straight, which is both interesting and odd at the same time.

In the end what I appreciated the most is that it's the first film in the Craig era that doesn't seem ashamed to be part of the Bond franchise, and embraces the classic formula instead of taking a crap on it. I also love the use of a real 35mm movie camera, something that has become less and less common in recent years. On top of that it has a great Bond girl, some killer action scenes and is beautifully shot. It does have its flaws, like featuring the worst Blofeld whose connection to Bond is eye-rolling levels of stupid, and the entire final act is messy and unsatisfying. I still think it's the strongest Craig outing overall, while admitting that isn't saying much because I don't particularly care for any of them.

As with QOS, it definitely had its moments. However, I just couldn't get myself to like the plot and villain nearly as much as that of Casino Royale and Skyfall. If I were to rank Craig's Bond films, I'd go:

1. Casino Royale
2. Skyfall
3. Spectre
4. Quantum of Solace

Reckon this is pretty much the common impression, with a fierce battle for first place.

i would give casino royale the nod for having the densier plotting and killing vesper in the end just game that emotional edge, although i do find the emotional edge aswell with skyfall certainly the two best daniel craig outings.

daniel craig is reportedly playing bond in bond 25

I just saw that. I thought he was totally anti. Must have offered him quite a lot of moolah.

Money talks. Next move is to get Gal Gadot as the main Bond Girl.

Well I guess if someone offered me 150 million bucks for 2 more movies I'd change my mind about 'slitting my wrists' to battle on as well. A bit different to the days when Lazenby was offered 1 million.

Yes to Gal as the Bond Girl.