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Originally Posted by Holden Pike
I don't think to most mainstream Oscar voters of the old guard that Scorsese seems terribly inside any Hollywood box, which is part of why Raging Bull and GoodFellas lost out to Ordinary People and Dances with Wolves.
He wasn't the 'name' in 1980 that he would become, and, to fair, you have to keep in mind what a phenomenon Dances With Wolves was in 1990. The Academy is notoriously sensitive to that kind of thing. It's not a reflection of Scorsese being an outsider to Hollywood (he clearly isn't).


But what's more alarming and insulting to me isn't the Oscar snub - as you can see, the Academy can be a fickle, silly and even embarassing voting body. No, what floors me is that Scorsese has never won the DGA Award. That his peers in his own field have consistently snubbed him says more than anything the lack of Oscars does. Martin has won a Life Achievement Award from the Directors Guild of America, but though he was nominated for his work on Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, GoodFellas, The Age of Innocence, Gangs of New York and The Aviator, he has yet to win their Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Motion Pictures trophy.

Go figure.
It's not terribly surprising, his very best work was done fairly early in his career, and his work after establishing himself as a legend has been good without being great by any reasonable standard. If there is a real surprise, it's that Goodfellas didn't win.

Love the directors with no wins list, as it quite neatly illustrates my point about the lack of attention given to non-American directors.




The Departed

RELEASE DATE: October 6th, 2006
DIRECTOR: Martin Scorsese
CAST: Jack Nicholson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon,
Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Mark Wahlberg, Ray Winstone,
Vera Farmiga, Kevin Corrigan and Anthony Anderson
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I'm kind of getting sick of people getting excited over Scorsese's new film. Ya it'll be good and make ltos of money, but noone recognizes the film the story was striped from. Infernal Affairs(from Hong Kong) is an etremely great film, but i haven't seen anyone stand up for it, if anyone did, sorry. The plot is exactly the same except for the country and the new mob. It even uses exact scenes form the movie, well the ones I saw in the movie theatre trailer, like part that flashed by with the cast. I think if you're going to take another movie out of the country and remake it, atleast have the decency to give it its original title, and bring in some people from the original crew.
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Originally Posted by IchibanKurosawa
I'm kind of getting sick of people getting excited over Scorsese's new film. Ya it'll be good and make ltos of money, but noone recognizes the film the story was striped from. Infernal Affairs(from Hong Kong)...
Sheet, fair point. Irishy/proggy music aside, the parallels are pretty strong in the trailer. I'm rubbish at identifying specific scenes/shots, but even to me the brief clash in the glass-walled meeting room towards the end looked a carbon-copy of the IF one. The tone/style/lighting seemed very similar too overall.

But hey, the title's fairly enigmatic

Edit - and to be fair, it's obviously recognised as a direct remake, on imdb at least.
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Originally Posted by Golgot

Edit - and to be fair, it's obviously recognised as a direct remake, on imdb at least.
Yup, I thought most people knew that and don't think that Marty has been candid about it either (though he apparently said he hadn't been aware of the original on first reading the script).

Think of it more like a, for want of a better phrase, Studio Picture in the vein of The Colour Of Money done, in essence, to repay (hopefully with cinema-going cash) the faith Scorsese's backers showed when he made more personal films...

I just hope I won't get the same feeling of nausea I did when watching the remake of Dark Water - not from the film itself (although that was crap enough), but the cast & crew interviews on the DVD where absolutely no reference was made to Suzuki's novel or Nakata's original movie. We even had the flippin' 'screenwriter' detailing his 'vision'.

EDIT - A quote from Marty taken from a BBC interview on the release of The Aviator: “I’m hoping the next picture will be The Departed. It’s a thriller - Irish gangsters in Boston. It’s based on a Chinese film.”
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Originally Posted by IchibanKurosawa
I'm kind of getting sick of people getting excited over Scorsese's new film. Ya it'll be good and make ltos of money, but noone recognizes the film the story was striped from. Infernal Affairs(from Hong Kong) is an etremely great film, but i haven't seen anyone stand up for it, if anyone did, sorry. The plot is exactly the same except for the country and the new mob. It even uses exact scenes form the movie, well the ones I saw in the movie theatre trailer, like part that flashed by with the cast. I think if you're going to take another movie out of the country and remake it, atleast have the decency to give it its original title, and bring in some people from the original crew.


Of course The Departed is a remake of Infernal Affairs. Nobody has tried to hide that fact. The title was changed: so what? This is hardly the first time a title has been changed in a remake. For another example from this year alone, the French film De Battre mon Coeur S'est Arręté - The Beat My Heart Skipped is a remake of James Toback's Fingers (1978) that starred Harvey Keitel.

And why on earth would the original crew have to be hired for a remake? Do you think this is standard procedure?

Ultimately no matter how Scorsese's film turns out, it's going to be a great advertisement for the original and get it lots of rentals and people discovering how great a movie and a trilogy it is. I love Infernal Affairs and can't hardly wait to see how Scorsese and company have translated it for their version. They've definitely got a high standard to measure up to, for sure.

Scorsese said that when he read the remake's screenplay in 2003 he hadn't seen the original film. As it wasn't released in America until September of 2004 and made its R1 DVD debut in December of 2004, that makes sense. Unless Marty was traveling in Hong Kong in 2002 and understands Cantonese, he wouldn't have had many opportunities to have seen the flick himself back in 2003.


So it's all good. Chill out, my brother.



I hope I say, "The Departed was bomb diggady'" when I leave the theater. I probably will.
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Originally Posted by IchibanKurosawa
I'm kind of getting sick of people getting excited over Scorsese's new film. Ya it'll be good and make ltos of money, but noone recognizes the film the story was striped from. Infernal Affairs(from Hong Kong) is an etremely great film, but i haven't seen anyone stand up for it, if anyone did, sorry. The plot is exactly the same except for the country and the new mob. It even uses exact scenes form the movie, well the ones I saw in the movie theatre trailer, like part that flashed by with the cast. I think if you're going to take another movie out of the country and remake it, atleast have the decency to give it its original title, and bring in some people from the original crew.
I hate it when people spell noon with an e.

Yes, the film is a remake of Internal Affairs, and plenty of people recognize the film it is remaking. Plenty of people on this site have seen it, and many probably own it on DVD. Original crew? Poppycock! Scorsese has a crew he likes to work with, and I doubt he will replace it anytime soon. But, thanks for stopping by!
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I'm not saying that they haven't said it was a remake or have tried to hide it. I'm just trying to say that it make the original seem like a short film made just to spark Scorsese's vision of the real movie, "The Departed", but all U.S. remakes of foreign films seem to do that.


I just would like to see the original title thats all.




The Departed (Martin Scorsese)

After helping to define the modern gangster genre with Mean Streets (1973), GoodFellas (1990) and Casino (1995), Martin Scorsese returns to the world of organized crime, though this time coming at it from a much different angle. In those previous films, Scorsese took a naturalistic approach to the material. Yes his camera movements and editing style were evident, but as far as how the characters and their job of being criminals was tackled, it was stripped of the mythology of the '30s and '40s movie mobsters and looked at the workaday life of a criminal. Mean Streets and GoodFellas especially were less Operatic than Coppola's Godfathers. Those films influenced a couple generations of subsequent filmmakers, not just in America but around the world. One of those distant influences can be seen in Wai Keung Lau & Siu Fai Mak's Mou Gaan Du - Infernal Affairs (2002), so it's all coming full circle now that Scorsese is remaking it.

The Departed is set on the Irish South Side of Boston, where Frank Costello (Jack Nicholson) rules the streets with his murderous crew (including Ray Winstone and David O'Hara). Like most kingpins his activities are well-known, but the Police can't ever seem to make anything stick well enough to bring him down. Queenan (Martin Sheen) and Dignam (Mark Wahlberg) are higher-ups in a special department that has virtual autonomy to work their own way to get Costello. They hand-pick a young recruit (Leonardo DiCaprio) to work deep undercover and infultrate the crew. He has ties to the neighborhood and relatives who worked for Costello over the years, so he seems like a natural choice. At the same time Costello is doing some influtrating of his own, with his own hand-picked kid from the streets (Matt Damon) who has enrolled in the academy with hopes of working his way up the ranks and giving the criminals their own inside man. Both the crooks and the cops suspect they have moles in the midst, but neither one can identify the other. And so starts a cat & mouse game of disinformation, loyalty and deception.

For those who know Infernal Affairs, all the major beats and similar character types are in place, and though the finale has a couple additional little layers to it, this is a pretty straight remake in terms of plotting and basic dynamics. But Scorsese and company do also make it their own. The Boston setting in contrast to Scorsese's usual New York City stomping grounds (NYC has served as the backdrop for ten of his feature films from Mean Streets through Gangs of New York) is a nice change. And Scorsese is going back to the new genre myths that have been formed in his wake. There is almost no sense of what Costello and his crew do on a day-to-day basis to make their living. And for his first real depiction of the law enforcement side of the coin, there isn't much procedural detail either, other than as it relates directly to the undercover assignment. The movie takes for granted that the audience knows from hundreds of other movies and television shows how the good guys and bad guys do their things. The Departed is not a documentary-like look at either world, rather it is a genre exercise of pure entertainment. Much like Spike Lee's Inside Man from earlier this year, this is an unabashed good old fashioned "movie" movie from a filmmaker who usually does much more.

Scorsese's early work was largely influential, but rarely worked strictly inside genre, instead working against the expectations and modes. The first time Scorsese really consciously attacked a genre was his other re-make, Cape Fear (1991). But while he reveled in playing with and amping up the thriller conventions, he also added a dark moral complexity that most even less over-the-top efforts address. The Departed is much more straightforward in that regard.

When all is said and done, The Departed works very well. It's not really set up as a mystery for the most part, as we know immediately who DiCaprio and Damon are. It's more about the fun of watching each side play the game. The "twists" during the conclusion are fine, and even if you haven't seen Infernal Affairs you'll probably anticipate most of them. The acting is good to great pretty much all around in this star-studded cast. Leo and Matt are both well-suited for their duplicitous roles at the center of the narrative. Nicholson doesn't really do anything he hasn't done before, but it's a magnetic movie star performance all the same. The one aspect I missed from the original is there was much more of a bond and mutal respect between what are the Nicholson and Sheen characters in the remake. That relationship is even better examined in the first Infernal Affairs sequel, but it's definitely more prevalent and palpable in the original rather than Scorsese's remake. Sheen and Nicholson do have one face-to-face meeting, but there was just more of a personal dimension to the cat & mouse game in the Hong Kong film.

The supporting cast is terrific. Alec Baldwin and Wahlberg steal every secen they're in getting the funniest dialogue, and Winstone is a great presence as always. The one weak link I thought was Vera Farmiga as the sole female role of any wieght and screentime. Kelly Chin was more credible in the original as the psychiatrist treating one of the moles and in love with the other. I don't buy Farmiga as either a doctor or a lover and while the role is a bit underwritten I suspect a better actress could have made more of it. But it's a relatively minor quibble, and even with Nicholson in there it's really DiCaprio and Damon's movie and they're both very good.

There's a nice energy and look to the movie with longtime collaborators editor Thelma Schoonmaker and D.P. Michael Ballhaus making it all sing across the screen. It's two and a half hours long (about forty minutes longer than the original), but doesn't drag at all; very well paced and constructed. And while there is violence and the threat of violence throughout, most of the bloodletting is saved for a Hamlet-like final act...and then it gets VERY bloody. It's not especially ambitious and doesn't have the arc of something like Michael Mann's Heat, it's just a damned enjoyable flick.


GRADE: B



I really want to see this but Leo is my only "put off". Does he really do a good job here?
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Raging Bull 10
GoodFellas 10
Taxi Driver 10
Mean Streets 9.5
The Last Temptation of Christ 9.5
The Departed 9.5
The Aviator 9.0
The Last Waltz 8.5
Casino 8.0
Gangs of New York 8.0
Kundun 7.5
New York, New York 7.0
Boxcar Bertha 5.0

I consider Scorsese to be one of my favorite directors and I haven't even seen all of his films. I feel like such a wanksta right now. I'm going to try and finish watching the rest of his pictures by the end of the year though. I just added The Age of Innocence, After Hours and Bringing out the Dead to my queue. Hope those are good.

And his latest rocked my socks. My expectations for The Departed were somewhere up in the stratosphere going in and I was still blown away. It's nice to see him back to what he does best. Lots of blood, swearing, double crosses and other kinds of general bad arsery.
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Mr. IchibanKurosawa

I agree completely, as an asian film lover, this crossover problem is terrible, as americans refuse to hear a foreign language, they will be destined to watch remakes their whole life.

Regarding the title, being from Latin America, I have had several chinese friends try to explain the buddhist philosophy in the Infernal Affaires title. As I understood, it is some kind of purgatory... difficult to translate. I thing the Departed, taken from the card on DiCaprios's mother, makes sense in terms of the best possible adaptation to a non exisiting cultural code in the west.

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Originally Posted by Sedai
After Hours is great stuff. One of my favorite black comedies, for sure.. Maybe just hands down, my favorite...
Hell yeah. Too many people seem to have not seen this. I will make it my life's destiny to make sure everyone who's alive will see this movie. It will be the way people are trying to show the Bible to every corner of the globe, only I will have to do better and go to the bottom of the oceans and probably space too, cause aliens or robots or whatever might like it cause they might have never seen a DVD player or a television and they might think it's cool or something. Anyways, I'll make sure everyone and everything sees that movie.

DaShiz, over and out.