Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi

That’s interesting news, didn’t know that but also an anomaly. The things great. I’m very confident no one will be hailing this film in decades to come. I’d even wager that you’ll dismiss it as average once your agenda changes and/or when there’s no one left to argue.

But I didn't like it!

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The thing?

SW Weekend December 2019 btw.

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Same goes for Blade Runner. It's not as anomalous as you think, and again I cite the uncertainty of even trying to guess at how people will treat it in the future. Also, you do realise that for there to be no one left to argue they either have to agree with me or at the very least shut up about it, so if you want that to happen then you'd better hurry up and start liking this movie (or stop arguing).

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Iro's Top 100 Movies v3.0

TLJ.

The Thing rocks.

Anyway, I gave TLJ another shot, but I just don't ave fun watching it, and it annoys me pretty much all the way through. I did get a chance to finally see Solo, and I agree with Iro in that it suffers from some of the same problems people cite in TLJ. I did like it more than TLJ, but not a lot more.

No one can know what this will be in the future you’re factually correct...but we can wager. In 10 years if this is regarded as a sci fi classic...maybe you guys can think of a punishment for me although that would be punishment enough.

Glad to hear you like the thing. Not really keen on seeing Solo maybe one day.

Seeing as there’s still lots of people visiting this thread....anyone have a sound bar recommendation??

Yes, I recommend that you get one.

Wouldn’t it be funny if I got one, decided to give TLJ another go, strapped in, felt the immersion like never before and ended up hating it even more. That would be your fault.

Haha just joking I’m going to bed.

Whatever, if this this thread and others like it are any indication you'd probably second-guess my recommendations anyway.

Manhunter too was an odd one, considered a great film today.

TLJ is however not Manhunter, The Thing or Empire, and frankly over time will likely be considered worse than it is at the moment.

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Exactly. There are lots of examples of all sorts of trajectories, so this really isn't some remarkable thing that proves some deep level of fan disgust. And that's the bar, remember? I don't dispute that the response has been mixed, and that that factors in. I'm disputing the idea that $1.5 billion is some shockingly low total that a) requires some special explanation and b) can be explained by an army of angry fans. Especially coming from someone who seems to have a confusing emotional stake in the idea that their anger is shared.

Pretty telling that you keep trying to use relative box office, too. That rigs the game, because The Force Awakens was a cultural event in a way the next film was never going to be (even if they didn't release another SW film in between, which they did). It set an impossibly high standard.

You're seriously just now learning that taste is subjective?

Nope. According to me there's no way to prove these things are good, objectively. This is a very simple distinction I've made twice now, and really shouldn't have to make at all. Do you genuinely not understand it, or are you pretending not to?

Literally any pop music that's successful, but which you think is crappy. Use any book or movie with the same criteria, even, and then kindly explain the seeming contradiction. The point is the same. This "profit = quality" standard clearly doesn't work at all, and was presumably tossed out just because it seemed momentarily useful.

Kinda weird to pretend Solo is on TLJ, rather than it being a mediocre film, needing reshoots, suffering from increased and accumulated SW fatigue, and a ton of other things.

You're not listening, dude. Please read what I said again more carefully. I've bolded part of it to preclude yet another misunderstanding:

You've misunderstood. You said it was "very suspicious" immediately, meaning back when the film came out, based on nothing more than the fact that the scores were higher than you thought they should be.

If anything, Solo's relatively lacklustre performance obviously proves that you can't rely on white men to lead these movies anymore.

That post couldn't be any trollier if it had spiky blue hair.

Shh, I was going to see if he figured that out on his own.

Tu eres racista!

What will your excuse be when ep7 limps in with a fairly mediocre result? I'm guessing you will stand rigid on something like "$700m, that's a solid profit, this movie is a success".

To quote Andy Dufresne, you are being obtuse.

By your standard anything can be debated by slick argument. Hitler was considered a "bad guy", but to some he was and still is the good guy but I guess that's the point you are making. The Japanese say "10 people 10 colours".

The music industry probably doesn't compare to the film industry too well, there's lots of fantastic music being made that gets little recognition or barely gets noticed whilst all the "crap"(I agree with you) gets pushed out and gets hundreds of millions of views because the target audience is teenage girls.

So basically you think TLJ fan backlash, and subsequent excuse making/name calling of fans has nothing to do with Solo doing badly?

I won't deny there are of course other factors at play, some of which you mention, but SW fatigue is a pathetic excuse. The biggest of all is probably the idea to do the film in the first place.

What exactly did you think I said was very suspicious upon the films release? You've lost me. What higher scores, public or critic?

I thought we were discussing recent bogus RT reviews.