Are these female lead remakes are getting out of hand now?

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UGH, people keep talking about movies getting too political, just for casting a woman or a black person in it, which is silly. it'd be political if the whole time, they kept making a big deal of how she's a woman/person of color/whatev, comparing it to a man or something like that. the choice to cast it that way in the first place is political i guess, but i don't see how it affects the movie, or somehow magically makes the movie itself political, as it is possible to make remakes slightly different, or even quite different, from a different perspective, and they can still be good.

But then you get stuff like this:





and this:





In which the stars of the movie are very blatantly making it about the gender of the lead actresses.



Speaking of time, there's another angle. The Bond films are a nearly 60-year-old franchise. It could be argued that every other possible avenue has been explored with regard to the main character. This is also the situation that Doctor Who is in, though a more extreme example given that 13 actors have played the role compared to Bond's 6.



6? I remember there being dozens of people playing James Bond in the original Casino Royale.



Any discussion on politics or racism or any of the topics like this, there is never a healthy discussion...Never!

That is an odd statement for this thread; I believe that several of us are having a reasonably healthy discussion.



I'll give you an example of where politics, especially the current political climate in the UK, has entered into things.

Steven Moffat, the outgoing showrunner of Doctor Who, spoke at the end of his tenure about not casting a female Doctor. He said it hadn't been the right time and that "[Doctor Who] is also for people who voted Brexit. That's not me politically at all – but we have to keep everyone on board".

This was demonizing viewers who had voted the opposite way to him, and insinuating any number of other 'character flaws' that would make these viewers stop watching because of a female Doctor.

The saddest part is that he was wrong about the timing when it comes to the "in-show" part. It was during his tenure that The Doctor received a brand new set of regenerations from the Time Lords. This had never happened to The Doctor before (although it had happened to The Master). That would have been the best time to do something wonky like changing The Doctor's gender because it would have been so simple to explain due to the new set of regenerations.



Well I think if they are going to have a female James Bond, they should have her be a "manizer", as I feel that is true to the character, and I would be much less interested in a female James Bond, if they were to take that away. I would feel what's the point of doing a female James Bond, if the character is going to lose his/her traits in the process.

Bond is a homme fatale womanizer, so it would make sense to make a female Bond a femme fatale manizer.

Audiences have accepted femme fatales manizers before, it's just usually they are villains in movies, where as they would just have to make it the heroine instead. Is that do-able with audiences?

Basically a lot of fans like me, like the traditional Bond formula. So if they were to do it with a female Bond, they should have her start out in bed with a man, during the first act, before the new plot opens up more and gets more heavy.

Then along the way she hooks up with another man on the mission, who either turns out to be bad, or ends up getting killed, then along the way, she hooks up with the last guy she ends the story with, in defeating the villain with.

Could they do that for a female James Bond?

I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that if they did make James Bond a woman, she would be a lesbian - just like they did with Starbuck, so that she could still seduce women.



Guess you’ve never seen Fatal Attraction, The Postman Always Rings Twice, Double Indemnity, Bonnie & Clyde, Black Widow, etc., etc.

Fatal Attraction (1987)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946 & 1981)
Double Indemnity (1944)
Bonnie & Clyde (1967)
Black Widow (1987)


First of all, there will always be some exceptions to the rule. Secondly, I am talking about recent movies, say this century. Thirdly, we can watch every movie that came out in the US this year and my points will stand. Hollywood generally views men as both evil and expendable; and it comes across in their movies.



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Because a movie features a male villain doesn’t make it so that it’s message is that all men are evil. Did you really come out of Black Panther, one the examples you gave, thinking that was the point the film was trying to get across? What do all other male characters who aren’t evil signify then?

Regarding the heavily blockbuster-reliant state of Hollywood, a big reason or, really, the reason, for having more female characters play positive and integral roles is a response to them having previously been portrayed as exceedingly expendable (not to mention the extensive history of industry harassment.) Hell, look no further than the Bond franchise for an example.

I don’t understand how you attach this malignant conspiracy against men to a rather benign principle of “hey, women are better than just that.”



Because a movie features a male villain doesn’t make it so that it’s message is that all men are evil. Did you really come out of Black Panther, one the examples you gave, thinking that was the point the film was trying to get across? What do all other male characters who aren’t evil signify then?

It is not because it features a male villain, it is because it features 99% male villains. The main villain is male, so is nearly his entire crew. So are the bad guys that they fight in the giant battle in the film.



Some men had to be good (the titular character is a male superhero). However, when 99% of the women are good and 99% of the bad guys are men, the points come across that women are good and men are bad. Consciously or subconsciously when this is done over and over and over again, this will be understood by those watching the movies.



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What about every other individual movie or entire franchises featuring predominantly male heroes?

Which is, like, all of them. Pretty much ever.



Because a movie features a male villain doesn’t make it so that it’s message is that all men are evil. Did you really come out of Black Panther, one the examples you gave, thinking that was the point the film was trying to get across? What do all other male characters who aren’t evil signify then?

Regarding the heavily blockbuster-reliant state of Hollywood, a big reason or, really, the reason, for having more female characters play positive and integral roles is a response to them having previously been portrayed as exceedingly expendable (not to mention the extensive history of industry harassment.) Hell, look no further than the Bond franchise for an example.

I don’t understand how you attach this malignant conspiracy against men to a rather benign principle of “hey, women are better than just that.”

I think that you added to your post while I was replying to it.



Could you further explain your last paragraph? I don't quite understand what you are trying to say with that sentence. Thanks in advance.



As to your second paragraph, I have no problem with women playing more positive roles; I have a problem with them taking characters that have always been men and making them women. There is an infinite number of characters which can be made; just make more female characters which are good. Taking male characters and re-tooling them as female is lazy, cheap, insulting and patronizing.



P.S. To the readers, I am sorry about the large number of sequential posts, I was on vacation for two weeks and I am just catching up to the forums. I didn't know that I would make that many replies or I would have condensed them quite a bit.



I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that if they did make James Bond a woman, she would be a lesbian - just like they did with Starbuck, so that she could still seduce women.
I highly doubt that the first female James Bond will be lesbian. Tiny steps, please.

First of all, there will always be some exceptions to the rule. Secondly, I am talking about recent movies, say this century.
You’re the one who makes categorical statements, not me. You didn’t say anything about recent movies. You always say Hollywood does this, Hollywood does that.
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Could you further explain your last paragraph? I don't quite understand what you are trying to say with that sentence. Thanks in advance.
Women are more than just love-interests and/or damsels in distress. More than just there to provide a motivation or a plot contrivance.

As to your second paragraph, I have no problem with women playing more positive roles; I have a problem with them taking characters that have always been men and making them women. There is an infinite number of characters which can be made; just make more female characters which are good. Taking male characters and re-tooling them as female is lazy, cheap, insulting and patronizing.
You were, seemingly, arguing that since there aren’t many female villains then it can be inferred that the goal is to make men look inherently bad and women otherwise. An imbalance in representation, no? Well, if you’re going to argue that, then you should understand that there was in imbalance there before. Still is, and not just in movies or television. An imbalance so deeply ingrained in our systems that making a previously male fictional character female can be considered a fair action.



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Oof, this is a “major breakthrough”? Someone gets a hand or blow job without being kissed first? Thrilling.
It's a major breakthrough for a female hero, cause Hollywood has shied away from making female heroes that sexually aggressive. They do it with female villains, but this is the first female hero that has been this sexually aggressive that I have seen in an action movie.



I highly doubt that the first female James Bond will be lesbian. Tiny steps, please.

You’re the one who makes categorical statements, not me. You didn’t say anything about recent movies. You always say Hollywood does this, Hollywood does that.



I am speaking within the context of the thread title: "Are these female lead remakes are getting out of hand now?" (Emphasis added.)


I have been talking about a trend that I have noticed starting late last century, but which has only become incredibly bad and pronounced this century.



I do make sweeping statements because the observations are so prevalent, but the trends are primarily from this century. Going back to movies from the 1940's to show that women have been bad guys only highlights my point about 99% of bad guys in movies now being men.


As for your first point above, I pray that there will never be a Jane Bond. But, if there ever is one, they will probably go for broke and make her a lesbian.



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How would making her a lesbian be going for broke though?



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But then you get stuff like this:





and this:





In which the stars of the movie are very blatantly making it about the gender of the lead actresses.
Listen I’m all for casting a female lead etc etc, as long as the story and characters aren’t compromised but those pictures make me a little ill. The force is female? Feels very unnecessary to say so and massively cringe.



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Guys, it’s just a slogan on a t-shirt.
Just like make America great again. It’s fairly cringe, it’s ok to be put off by it and the whole political push in those movies period. They need to relax on changing the world and start trying to make good movies.



start trying to make good movies.
lol people buy tickets to see crap films..

I know.. I went to see "The Predator" this past weekend... I only go mainly for entertainment purposes... it can be crap but still be entertaining...

I dont go to psychoanalyze the characters...sometimes I go because its a war movie about a person from history but its still for entertainment...

if I want to watch something thats factual.. I will watch a documentary.. .