Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice

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Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice(2016)
This film has been very divisive from the moment Ben Affleck had been cast to replace Christian Bale as the Dark Knight. The film is a direct sequel to Man of Steel(2013) with director Zack Snyder in charge of the film. Ben Affleck has had to brush off criticism in relation to perception of his portrayal of Daredevil and as an action hero in general with almost twice the negative feedback as Michael Keaton upon his original casting. Overall Warner Brothers have had a hit and miss affair with both super heroes since the 70s. We have been spoilt by so many trailers for the public to buy into the concept of Ben Affleck as Batman it has been difficult to distinguish on potential spoilers depending on which ones cinema goers have seen. These trailers have been key in galvanising the public perception long in advance of releasing the films.

This film kicks off with establishing Ben Affleck’s Dark Knight from his childhood whilst we zap to the present where the final battle of Man of Steel(2013) is occurring with Gotham witnessing the carnage in Metropolis. Bruce Wayne witnesses the fall of one of his towers and vows to track down Superman who is divisive in world opinion on whether the he is a god who is too powerful. Here we have elements of Frank Miller’s graphic novel the Dark Knight returns and the Dark Knight strikes again being adapted.

The actors are able to deliver within the script which does not have the same psychological depth as the Nolan Batman series. Ben Affleck is able to use his persona to play Bruce Wayne with a mean streak whilst Henry Cavill is able to deliver what is required of him in the film. Cavill has the right look that matches a very brooding suit compared to what to the late Christopher Reeves wore. Diane Lane (who starred alongside Ben Affleck as the first Superman George Reeve in Hollywoodland) returns as Martha Kent with Amy Adams as Lois Lane. Expectations of all major actors to have the correct level of screen time have been unrealistic. Whilst Holly Hunter and Jeremy Irons do well to steel the key scenes as the Kentucky Senator and the world’s most famous butler, ultimately the film is about the showdown between superheroes with two of the most worn superhero symbols in the world. Ben Affleck like all major actors(e.g. Tom Cruise) have a certain person when it comes to the big screen. Christian Bale is a method actor who can immerse himself into many different characters convincingly which is why he is an Oscar winner. We cannot expect Ben Affleck to be of that level but is still able to deliver. Bale’s level of portrayal is very unlikely to be repeated for some time as may the Heath Ledger’s version of the Joker. The most annoying aspect of the film is Jessie Eisenberg who has been typecast as a geeky narcissist modern day corporate and scientific lackey compared to previous portrayals of Lex Luthor(of whom Michael Rosenbuam as been the most effective to date)

Most of the film has a plotting that has the same demeanour as Watchmen with Superman assuming the Dr Manhattan role and Batman as Rorshach. Either you loved or hated Watchmen but it is clear Warner are trying to present an alternative to the Marvel Cinematic Universe led by the Avengers. The film does ask a few questions on where we as a human race are heading but again with limited punch compared to the Nolan series or even Captain America:The Winter Soldier(2014). It may not be sufficient to watch the film only once given the nature of the arguments presented and it is a film many people want to like given that they have been attached to both heroes since childhood which shows how much Batman and Superman have been part of the national psyche in post war America. The effects are not of the same quality as the Disney films in terms of use of CGI. Snyder presents the film with sympathy for Superman whenever Han Zimmer plays his new Superman tune to replace the traditional and famous tune created by John Williams. There are key questions to be answered in the plot holes.

The film is recommended for those with an open mind and who are willing to let of rigid expectations. It is clear that Warner Brothers are determined to given the boost the DC Cinematic Universe needs to compete with Marvel , Disney and 20 Century Fox in spite of what the critics say via the Justice League which many have only seen in only comic book and animated form. It will be interesting to see how well this does in the box office but the R rated version will be released on blu ray which may change everyone’s overall perception of Batman vs Superman and may be key in recouping the expensive budget. Perhaps it could be argued that we got the movie themes we deserve given the headlines of today. However a lot of hope on the DC Universe will rest of Suicide squad along with Wonder Woman and Flash.



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Wow, that's a surprisingly good score.

I disagree with your Watchmen comparison. While it may be similar on a superficial level, Watchmen was actually a well told story which suffered critically because no one knew how to handle a "comic book movie" which had such mature themes. We've come a long way since and this movie is neither mature nor well told.

But I completely agree that Affleck was very good as Batman and really surprised me. I'd rather watch him in a solo movie than a Justice League team up. Now, just keep that project out of Snyder's hands.
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You'll be surprised to learn that many applauded the film in the imax showing I went to



You'll be surprised to learn that many applauded the film in the imax showing I went to
Naz were you strongly familiar with the source material going into the film? A comic book reader?



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Honestly I gave this movie a rating of 4. It would have been higher but there were some negatives in my mind that I couldn't get past, just like with Man of Steel when they made Superman kill Zod. The fact that they had Batman using guns throughout the entire movie bothered me badly, at the same time I get why he has to use them. Also the fact that they didn't use the kid from the Flash television show to play the Flash in this. Why? Wouldn't it be smarter to have some continuity? He probably didn't have time to do the movie but still, it would have made more sense to me to make him Flash. I absolutely HATE the new armored Bat suit. It makes him look like a weak idiot. I thought, however, that Ben did a pretty good job. I was pissed at the way that it ended but that has come to be expected.
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Jeez...I'm not going to do a formal review of this one...already 5 of them. Nevertheless, I can't help thinking that this movie just tried to bite off more than it could chew in the way of complex plot exposition. I thought it was me, but when I left the building, my accomplices were asking all those sort of questions - what was that...why did he...did I miss something....how'd that happen?

On the "VS" part, given the disparity of abilities between Superman and the merely mortal Batman, all SM had to do was stay away from the kryptonite and rip Batman's arms off, or stay distant and use those x-ray eyes to deliver a lethal dose...no contest. What we got was too much extended hi-FX fighting. And then there's Wonder Woman and the Mud Monster, deus ex machina. Too baroque for me.

The people in charge seem to have forgotten that these stories started out as comix for 9 year olds. It ain't Shakespeare.

And, while they're culling up Lois Lane and Perry White, just WHERE is Jimmy Olson?

Two popcorn buckets would be generous, in spite of that army of animators.



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On the "VS" part, given the disparity of abilities between Superman and the merely mortal Batman, all SM had to do was stay away from the kryptonite and rip Batman's arms off, or stay distant and use those x-ray eyes to deliver a lethal dose...no contest.
To be fair, it's not like Superman genuinely wants to kill Batman. When he arrives at the meeting place, Batman is already gearing up to not just beat Superman but kill him because that's what he feels needs to be done. As a result, Superman has to do whatever he can to defend himself against Batman's attacks, but throughout it all he still wants to reason with Batman because of the whole being-forced-to-fight-by-Lex thing, which is what he eventually does with the whole "Martha" line.

And, while they're culling up Lois Lane and Perry White, just WHERE is Jimmy Olson?
You know that scene early on where Lois is kidnapped by terrorists and her companion is revealed to be an undercover CIA agent before getting shot in the face? Apparently, that's Jimmy Olsen.



To be fair, it's not like Superman genuinely wants to kill Batman. When he arrives at the meeting place, Batman is already gearing up to not just beat Superman but kill him because that's what he feels needs to be done. As a result, Superman has to do whatever he can to defend himself against Batman's attacks, but throughout it all he still wants to reason with Batman because of the whole being-forced-to-fight-by-Lex thing, which is what he eventually does with the whole "Martha" line.



You know that scene early on where Lois is kidnapped by terrorists and her companion is revealed to be an undercover CIA agent before getting shot in the face? Apparently, that's Jimmy Olsen.
What???? Jimmy Olson was the "ace cub reporter" that got hollered at by Perry White, not a g-man.

In regard to what Superman could do to Batman, considering his super-powers, he still holds all the cards, even if he decides to be sub-lethal. A good Superman trick would be to fly circles around Batman at near light speed, wrapping him in a cocoon of inescapable twine or something like that. I just could not resolve myself to the idea that there's really much of a fight in that pair.



Originally Posted by Iroquois
To be fair, it's not like Superman genuinely wants to kill Batman. When he arrives at the meeting place, Batman is already gearing up to not just beat Superman but kill him because that's what he feels needs to be done. As a result, Superman has to do whatever he can to defend himself against Batman's attacks, but throughout it all he still wants to reason with Batman because of the whole being-forced-to-fight-by-Lex thing, which is what he eventually does with the whole "Martha" line.
A good point. Let's not pretend this was a fair fight going in, even if we do want Batman to win.

Originally Posted by skizzerflake
A good Superman trick would be to fly circles around Batman at near light speed, wrapping him in a cocoon of inescapable twine or something like that. I just could not resolve myself to the idea that there's really much of a fight in that pair.
Much like Death Battles, we gotta draw the line somewhere. At what point do we stop integrating abilities and tools from the comics? If there was no limit, Batman would be a vampire.


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What???? Jimmy Olson was the "ace cub reporter" that got hollered at by Perry White, not a g-man.

In regard to what Superman could do to Batman, considering his super-powers, he still holds all the cards, even if he decides to be sub-lethal. A good Superman trick would be to fly circles around Batman at near light speed, wrapping him in a cocoon of inescapable twine or something like that. I just could not resolve myself to the idea that there's really much of a fight in that pair.
This article was my original source, but Googling "jimmy olsen dawn of justice" turns up a lot of results that say the same thing. There's even a "Jimmy Olsen" listed in the credits of IMDb, even if he isn't referenced by name in the film proper. I think the give-away was that he was a young guy with a camera accompanying Lois Lane on an assignment - the whole "undercover CIA agent" thing is just such a blind-side that apparently ties in with Snyder's whole grimdark vision for the film.

Also, twine? That's such a Batman thing to do.



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I don't know if I have anymore to say about this film, it just isn't well made on so many levels, that if you can't point that out your just blind. I don't agree with your statement on Watchmen in the slightest, as that film is very layered and has extremely complex themes for a comic book movie. This film brings absolutely nothing new to the genre and is probably one of the most choppy edits I have ever seen of big budget film.
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I've seen some elaborate essays that attempt to defend BvS on a thematic level (most notably Armond White's take on it), but that doesn't stop it being one very dry slog.



I've seen some elaborate essays that attempt to defend BvS on a thematic level (most notably Armond White's take on it), but that doesn't stop it being one very dry slog.
I'm all about themeing, but BvS is crap compared to Dark Knight in that regard.