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Women will be your undoing, Pépé
I think you'll find that there's only 1 entry in the series. It was a great stand alone film that thankfully had no sequels.

I honestly don't hate the sequels as much as a lot of people do, but I also haven't watched Revelations since I saw it in theatres, and turned off Reloaded the last time I tried to watch it haha.
hmm, I do believe you have bent the laws of the matrix. . . I'm intrigued for you to expand on that for this muddled old man
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Yeah, that was a good thread too bad it died out.
I tried to help revive it. We did Kubrick and it went okay for a while. But we all seemed a bit busy for it to work properly. However, I think we all finished but we never really got around discussing the last movie, Barry Lyndon. It’s the only one I left unreviewed.



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I tried to help revive it. We did Kubrick and it went okay for a while. But we all seemed a bit busy for it to work properly. However, I think we all finished but we never really got around discussing the last movie, Barry Lyndon. It’s the only one I left unreviewed.
Yup, I watched it too. Not sure if I posted about it or not. So I technically still finished it.

I'd love to revive the thread with a cool director we haven't done sometime.



If you're still taking special guests I'd love to do a dissection with you guys too
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Yup, I watched it too. Not sure if I posted about it or not. So I technically still finished it.

I'd love to revive the thread with a cool director we haven't done sometime.
Yeah, I see you did write something on Letterboxd about it.

Anyway, i never did my write-up and I can't have unfinished business lying in such a great thread... I plan a rewatch of Barry Lyndon and might shamlessly bump the thread with a review.

But I would love to see y'all revive it and maybe with @ahwell as guest! Would be awesome.



And Shine has now been watched. That’s three down so far. Still missing reviews of this one and Inglourious. I had a busy weekend but should have a slower week coming up.



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And Shine has now been watched. That’s three down so far. Still missing reviews of this one and Inglourious. I had a busy weekend but should have a slower week coming up.
Nice work man! I think I'll watch Blue Ruin next, perhaps in the next couple days.





Shine (1996)
Directed by: Scott Hicks
Starring: Geoffrey Rush, Noah Taylor, Armin Mueller-Stahl

Shine being a biography about a relatively famous pianist was initially a little concerning to me, because I've never had a deep understanding of music. I couldn't tell you the difference between Classical and Romantic Era musicians. I've sat in front of my speakers, listening to recordings with my eyes closed for hours trying to figure it out, only to come away more confused than I was before. Bach, Mozart, Chopin, Stamitz - it all sounds basically the same to me. I'd never heard of Rachmaninoff and his demanding Concerto before this film, and was surprised to learn he hadn't been dead for centuries.

But luckily this film isn't really about the music, and doesn't require any knowledge of it. The focus is on what triggered David's breakdown, and his struggles overcoming mental illness. It also showcases how having the right (or wrong) kind of emotional support can have a dramatic effect on one's quality of life. The piano was the centre of David's greatest triumphs and tragedies, but playing ultimately allowed him to express himself after his speech became increasingly difficult to understand. It was a surprisingly engaging story, which was elevated even further by its award-winning performances.

Geoffrey Rush has received a lot of recognition for his portrayal of David as an adult, but I think Noah Taylor deserves more credit than he's gotten. We learn the most about David's history and downfall with Taylor, and I was quite invested in the character because of him. It probably helps that his part of the plot more heavily features Armin Mueller-Stahl, who was simply fantastic here. There is some debate as to how accurate many of the depicted events are, particularly involving David's relationship with his father, but this is a biopic, not a documentary, so I wasn't expecting the film to strictly adherence to the truth anyway. It's a good film regardless, and I'm glad it was nominated because I definitely wouldn't have watched this on my own accord.

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Women will be your undoing, Pépé
Yup, I watched it too. Not sure if I posted about it or not. So I technically still finished it.

I'd love to revive the thread with a cool director we haven't done sometime.
If you're still taking special guests I'd love to do a dissection with you guys too
But I would love to see y'all revive it and maybe with @ahwell as guest! Would be awesome.
I remember the occasional reading of that thread -- some really great reads! I think the last ones I read you guys were doing some Pre-30s films, CANNOT for the life of me remember which Director was showcased, but I do remember CR was a guest.



Shine



I had never heard of David Helfgott let alone heard of this film. I often like to go in blind with my movies, but since my ears were deaf to who Geoffrey Rush was in fact portraying while playing, I might have made it more difficult for myself than needed be… IMDb didn’t help much either, sporting a general summery that did not mention the true circumstances of this story. I thought this was a fictional work, though when actually watching it, I began to feel like this story might not have blossomed from merely a fragment of imagination…

In fact, the film didn’t seem to blossom at all, since it sort of failed to lay out the seeds needed for the story and characters to grow and unfold naturally. Something about the first half of the film felt like a job halfway done. David, an individual of both literal and cinematic potential, didn’t quite get the set off needed to emphasize the setbacks that preceded the otherwise brilliant character acting by Geoffrey Rush. However, I did like how the film opened in medias res with David racing through the rain as this mysterious figure with disfigured speech, who has lost his way literally as well as in figure of speech. Unfortunately, the film quickly fell into the banality of biopic storytelling, which in my opinion even had a slight feel of departure from realism at times. I don’t know if it was deliberate, as a way to direct attention to David’s distressing situation and complicated mindset or if it was more a “product of its time” problem. It wasn’t exactly distracting, just peculiar at times...

The themes of a child being raised by a strict father in a poor environment and a story about being pushed towards perfection isn’t exactly cutting-edge, but it is of course common for talented individuals to have such childhood. Therefore, I wouldn’t necessarily say I have a problem with the themes of the plot, but rather the treatment and structure of them. Because while Armin Mueller-Stahl did a terrific job as the father being both proud and disappointed, angry and affected, torturing and tortured, his arc could have been written more nuanced. Even so, he was almost a central character of the story, which makes sense because of the strong bond and eventual break between the father and son that is indeed extremely important for the story, but still doesn’t quite justify a film that should focus the most on David Helfgott – and that rest of the cast also fell totally into the background didn’t exactly help the situation either.

I honestly feel like the film fast forwards through some very important areas of David’s life story and I didn’t really receive proper understanding of who he truly was or the exact circumstances about his illness. While Geoffrey Rush perfectly embodies David’s speech pattern and mannerisms, the way the film portrays his particular sickness seems more like the director trying to read musical notes rather than playing them. It quickly begins to feel like an encore rather than something from the core. If it wasn’t for Geoffrey Rush, I wouldn’t have connected nearly as much with David as I did. It feels as if the incomplete picture of his past never propels the character to a potent start and I’m left with a build-up that evaporates before it really gets going. And when Geoffrey Rush finally rushes in – brilliant as he is – he is left with barely anything to go on. It’s a shame, because there was an interesting angle present during his early years, as well as his time as a teenager, which could have created a much stronger fundament for the rest of the film.



Admittedly, some later elements do elevate themselves and pull you in because of its connection with the past, but I feel like the emotion could have been greater and more powerful with a more precise plotting of his life… because honestly, David Helfgott is a very interesting and inspiring individual, who despite his talents and immediate affection for music seemed to aspire to satisfy someone entirely different than himself… his father. David is the product of poor upbringing in a poor environment, who quickly comes to have people around him who are constantly trying to “enrich” his life, but never lets the child, teenager nor man have a saying in any of it. He is the product of a power struggle between a father, a musical teacher and David’s own inner demons, who all fight for just a fragment of his musical and mystical mind. David is pulled in countless directions by people who find an interest in him, but despite a very long detour – that contains both an attempt at detachment, an unplanned derailment and a climax that ends in apparent happiness and closure – it is most of all a tragic story lying beneath the beauty.

What is happiness truly for this man? What kind of life is meant for him? Music was on his mind, for good and for worse, but then mental illness hit him and threw him off course. But was music ever truly his passion and course of action or did it in fact lie with the father’s love for music and David’s love for his father and the attempt to make him proud? Was that his true and perhaps only drive? And even for the sudden success so late in his life, has he truly accomplished what he wanted? Is sudden musical acclaim the success of David as a person or David as a personification of a musical talent beyond compare? In the end, with his father gone and his mind more or less the same, who is he really playing for and who of importance are paying attention to what really matters? So as with David Helfgott, the film itself also seems to find its greatest success a little too late and personally I feel very conflicted about such a fascinating story fumbling around in formulaic territory, tiresome clichés and all too confident character framework for most of the movie, holding it back from ever truly lifting off the pages and well… shine.



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I honestly feel like the film fast forwards through some very important areas of David’s life story and I didn’t really receive proper understanding of who he truly was or the exact circumstances about his illness.
It really did seem to skip over what happened to him post-breakdown and pre-Jeffrey Rush. His mental state deteriorated a lot in that period, and we don't really get any explanation. There are some hints, like David telling Beryl that the doctors said he shouldn't play the piano any more, so I assume he was depressed, unable to play, and was surrounded by people who were reinforcing a negative mindset. It would've been nice to see that progression, but I guess the film wasn't interested in that part of David's life.

Music was on his mind, for good and for worse, but then mental illness hit him and threw him off course.
Was this meant to rhyme? It almost sounds like a song itself haha.



It really did seem to skip over what happened to him post-breakdown and pre-Jeffrey Rush. His mental state deteriorated a lot in that period, and we don't really get any explanation. There are some hints, like David telling Beryl that the doctors said he shouldn't play the piano any more, so I assume he was depressed, unable to play, and was surrounded by people who were reinforcing a negative mindset. It would've been nice to see that progression, but I guess the film wasn't interested in that part of David's life.
Yeah exactly. Because I definitely understood what had happened once you saw all those signs and literally drove out of a mental facility. But it's not so much the explanation of whether he's mentally sick or not, but more the expansion of said sickness - like actually getting some specifics either literally or through visuals or whatever. I felt it just jumped past such a monumental thing way too quickly and the audience just had to be like "oh, well okay, I guess we just have to accept that this is his situation now". It just didn't feel complete.

Was this meant to rhyme? It almost sounds like a song itself haha.
Haha well yes and no I guess. I always like the write with a flow and a good word scheme, so some sentences do naturally sound melodic sometimes.



Women will be your undoing, Pépé
Incredible write up MM, and I'll be thinking of the many points you made during my watch.
I DO remember the jump from teenager to an adult when I originally saw it, so I'll see how I feel about that this time around.



Incredible write up MM, and I'll be thinking of the many points you made during my watch.
I DO remember the jump from teenager to an adult when I originally saw it, so I'll see how I feel about that this time around.
Thank you. It was a nice nom from you. I would never had watched it my own and I would never have heard about David Helfgott. I looked up some videos of him after, which made the movie and Rush’ performance even more interesting. So overall this nom did what a HoF film should do.