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"Experts say that e-commerce could actually, if optimized, be beneficial for the environment. Getting into your personal vehicle and going to the store isnt very efficient, but consolidating multiple shoppers deliveries into one vehicle can be. Anne Goodchild, director of the University of Washingtons Supply Chain Transportation and Logistics Center, told BuzzFeed News, “Broadly speaking, delivery services have the potential to dramatically reduce miles traveled.”

However, people arent offsetting the traffic to shopping malls and grocery stores by buying online. "The problem is we are still doing both, meaning there are more emissions and more congestion," Jaller said. In fact, the number of trucks (which includes all types, not just delivery vehicles) on the road has doubled since 1995."

https://depts.washington.edu/sctlctr...-fast-shipping
But truly, Amazon and company destroyed my hometowns shopping ability. There used to be sooo many places around here to get whatever you needed. Same day shopping > 2 day shipping.

Only a handful of places have survived and even their inventory has been affected by the online trend. If I lived in/near a major city Im sure I would love Amazon.
Thats the thing: Im not buying from them. I think I did all of 5 transactions last year, which makes their returns all the more aggravating. I only buy from them if its cheaper than someone else by a large margin. Otherwise, Ill stop by whatever store I need to when it is convenient: I ascribe to the “planned transportation” model.

I think the real root of the issue here is I just miss the 90s and Amazon seems like a convenient scapegoat.
Plus, I just don't see how some of those side effects = Amazon is evil. That's just an easy statement to throw out there.

And if they're truly evil, then why are you buying from them? Clearly you are not convinced of your own statement.

I'm on the opposite side of this one. I'm more of an Amazon fangirl, a loyal customer for 22 years now. Gosh, I remember when they sold only books.

And yes, Yoda's right. I make far fewer single-person-in-the-car trips to the store because of Amazon.
I'd like to see a study, but very often massive enterprises like this can lower CO2 emissions because they're way, way more efficient than smaller operations.

For example, it'll use more than if we didn't buy anything, but one truck going around bringing everyone in the neighborhood something is definitely going to use way less than if most of us got in our own cars and went to the store.
But Ill shut up now.
Plus, the number of businesses that have had to shutter because they cant compete has got to be in the tens of thousands, which means hundreds of thousands of jobs.
I mean, their 2 day shipping has created expectations across every industry, and the infrastructure demands to deliver at that speed have created so much disruption. I hate to think how much CO2 levels have been affected by the 2 day shipping expectations we live with today.

And thats not even getting started with how they handle our data. Evil to the core, man.
Amazon has always been evil. Im just more vocal about it now.
Originally Posted by John McClane
It came from Amazon Warehouse, so I only ripped off Amazon. I feel pretty good about it.

Besides, it technically was defective because the advertised feature that I bought it for didnt function the way it was advertised, but thats not a return option because Amazon is evil.
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How did we get from Amazon having bad return options to "Amazon is Evil?"