[quote=Velvet]wet like wonton[/quote]

[quote=Chypmunk][quote=ynwtf]lol
No R Kelly reference?
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Prolly didn't think it would fly on here.
Only Rodent would know for Cher though :shrug:[/quote]

[quote=ynwtf]lol
No R Kelly reference?
;)[/quote]

[quote=The Rodent][quote=ynwtf]*believe[/quote]

I do I do!

[quote=ynwtf]*believe[/quote]

I do I do![/quote]

[quote=ynwtf]*believe[/quote]

[quote=ynwtf]I would add that simply [I]not feeling content[/I] is a throw-away dismissal of the emotional despair one feels to even consider suicide. Yes, perspective can help. The other, more likely thought process of reflecting on one's troubles as compared to others' and how they manage to survive those troubles could be that the person then feels guilty and weak. I mean, hell, if everyone else on Earth can manage to sort their troubles and endure, then that's even more reason to belief that "I am defective." In comparison to others, then one must be weaker to feel overwhelmed to the point of considering suicide. That may then reinforce the negative perspective of life and their use in it. Kinda the opposite of the intended effect. 

That kinda of perspective can be as simple as saying, "I know you hate the taste of apples, but I think they're good so just eat them. You will enjoy it because I do."[/quote]

[quote=JoaoRodrigues]Yeah your're probably right.[/quote]

[quote=Iroquois]You can't call me superficial if your big solution for a suicidal person is to either force them into an even worse situation under the guise of "giving perspective" or encourage them to embrace some half-baked live-in-the-now maxim.[/quote]

[quote=JoaoRodrigues]Very rhetorical, good-good. What leads to mental illness? You are being superficial, you are saying that people commit suicide because they are ill so they cannot fell content, isn't there fault they have those tendencies, but the difference between happiness & sadness is a state of mind, and that state of mind is almost 100% influenced by our conscience, even happiness is a expectation, because what we call happiness is depending on an outcome. Our conscience is based on conceptions, ideas, numbers, names, symbols and all those were given to us by society, they aren't reality, the only reality is the present experience. We live trapped by expectation of a future and memory of a past, is this since the foundation of civilization, that's how agriculture was born, a expectation of a future, don't confuse this with an instinct of survival, a cat is not afraid to die, but he have an instinct of survival, is a different thing, and our expectation of a future is not an instinct of survival is a hypnotization by a illusion of time. If you want more read Zen Buddhism, I'm tired.[/quote]

[quote=Iroquois]It's almost as if suicidal ideation is an inherently irrational by-product of mental illness and cannot necessarily be countered by the basic acknowledgment of any external privileges that would presumably make one too content to contemplate suicide. How's that for a different perspective?[/quote]

[quote=JoaoRodrigues]But then again, if you believe you came to this planet, that you are just a puppet then the right thing should be killing yourself, because there is nothing else in it. Or you can believe in all that plus that there is a Almighty that say you shouldn't kill yourself and just keep on going, is also an option. I myself, personally believe I didn't came to this planet, I came out of it, that we born by nature with pure and infinite bliss and we are hammering your own heads because we like the felling when it stops. Another possibility, I don't know. Guess science kinda prove it, but what do they know?[/quote]