The Shoutbox
Originally Posted by John McClane
Ford flourished after that bailout but even they have failed to innovate.
The EcoBoost is a nice bit of kit and they redesigned the F-150 with an aluminum body.

They also quit making cars
Shelby made a SuperSnake for his buddy, Bill Cosby. Cosby was so scared by the car he gave it back. The next owner of the car proceeded to kill himself in it, by driving it off a cliff.
We talkin' bout the one where Matt Damon was cast as a giant (literal and figurative)?
Originally Posted by MovieGal
@John McClane...you have heard of the new film...."Ford vs Ferrari"?
Now that's a movie I'm totally interested in! I have to wait for it to come to Netflix though.
@John McClane...you have heard of the new film...."Ford vs Ferrari"?
Ford flourished after that bailout but even they have failed to innovate.
I never was a fan of Pontiac. GM had a bad habit of running too many brands, and they have done a poor job with the few they have left.

I really wish we hadn’t bailed them out.
Originally Posted by John McClane
@MovieGal: I seriously want nothing to do with GM. They should have killed Pontiac first but instead they went for the easy target: Olds. They didn’t even try to save Olds and, if anything, helped kill it quicker.

I mean, it was the only American made car in the world’s top 3 oldest car brands, and now we have no claim to such fame. How do you kill a rich history like that?!

Pontiacs were their line of sports cars.. they were the highest priced cars other than Buicks. Original price of a 1968 Firebird in 1968 was $2,887. If you have a "Concours" (mint) one now days,, its worth about $38,000. I wish I had $38,000 now to buy one
Olds was the brand of firsts: the assembly line, the speedometer, the monobloc V8, and the automatic transmission. They even made the first windshield HUD and were the first FWD stock car to win on Pike’s Peak.

That’s a lot of history in one shout
@MovieGal: I seriously want nothing to do with GM. They should have killed Pontiac first but instead they went for the easy target: Olds. They didn’t even try to save Olds and, if anything, helped kill it quicker.

I mean, it was the only American made car in the world’s top 3 oldest car brands, and now we have no claim to such fame. How do you kill a rich history like that?!