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Exactly. It's totally counterintuitive. "Less plastic!" But you're creating more plastic? Make up your minds, please.

When I worked retail, I swear no one cared that I didn't charge for paper bags because I never did and I didn't care if I got found out because I thought it was stupid. They're so much better than those plastic bags.

Changing things is fine if the changes are for the better. This is for the worse and needs to be quelled. I really don't understand the logic, other than changing for the sake of change. Microplastics are being found everywhere now. Now, not then. How can that be an old problem solved with new ways when it wasn't an old problem at all?

People are too busy eating take out and playing on their phones to pay attention to the world around them.
And electric cars...

That destroy the environment for the battery chemicals... ever seen a zinc and lithium mine?

Plus, they're made in a country somewhere, and cost billions of points of carbon emissions to ship them to where they need to be used like the US and UK etc.

Also... ever seen the carbon footprint of a bag of vegetarian world saving vegan salad?

Furrowed, planted, seeded, grown, harvested... all by machine.
Then, it's processed, by machine, in a factory... then, packaged by machine into single use plastic bags, and then, shipped onto trucks, by machine... trucked to shops/stores, on trucks... and then, after weeks of machinery processing, it's handled by actual hand, to be stacked onto the shelves... that are environmentally controlled, by machine...

So that vegans and vegetarians, can drive in their electric cars to the supermarket to collect it... so they can save the planet.
That's my same point.

Soda was a glass embossed bottle, with a metal lid.
Both recyclable.
Even if the glass is crushed, it can be remelted and reused.

Soda now, is a plastic bottle, single use.
Plastic label, single use.
Plastic lid, single use.
And on opening the lid, it splits, into two pieces, both single use.

From one piece of glass, and one piece of metal... to 4 pieces of single use plastic.

And that's only inside of the past 10 years... and now, we have a plastic problem that the media and newspapers would have us believe is a problem caused by old ways.

It's not old ways.

It's the new way of manufacturing that has caused an instant problem.

Just 10 years ago...
Nappies/diapers could be bought as washable items, not single use plastic based chemicals...
Shopping/grocery bags were paper, not single use plastic...
Food packaging was cardboard, not single use plastic...

Plug sockets could be rewired... not single use chuck-away when they went faulty.

And car headlight bulbs could be bought at a petrol station and swapped inside of 3 minutes... and not need the entire single use plastic headlight assembly replaced in a garage for hundreds of pounds of cost, with the entire old headlight assembly needing to be broken down and "recycled",

Yet, you know, it was the old way that was wrong.
According to the press, government, newspapers, current generation etc.
To avoid confusion, the reason I don't have infants anymore is because they've grown to be children. I still have children. They're just past infancy. Yeah right now they're watching a video on the couch.
It makes no sense. When I had infants we went through diapers quickly, there were two infants, and it cost a lot. Having reusable would have been awesome. Instead I had to throw poopy nappies in plastic bags to go in more plastic bags to go in a dumpster. Like huh?

Can't soda just be in aluminum or glass? Aren't those more reusable than plastic? I know plastic degrades when it's recycles, so why bother keep doing it? The glass and metals don't degrade so aren't they better? If there's a problem, why doesn't anyone solve it instead of just whine and make it worse?

We want greener cars, and yet disposing of an electric car battery is worse for the environment than petrol. And then we still have the gas guzzlers that make the smog we so despise.

I didn't mean to rant...
Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants
Originally Posted by The Rodent
Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants
Why do I need to buy more things when I buy one thing?
And with energy saving lightbulbs, washers that use less energy and wash on colder temperatures, TVs that use less power, and so and so on... why is it our gas and electricity bills still keep going up?
Did the electrons demand higher wages? What is happening here? Who put the world on the "Crazy Cycle"? The "Psycho Path"? The "Tizzy Trail"? Do we just use everything more? We try to be greener and yet we're browner and yet no one wants anything to put any energy to changing it.

We try to be greener... but barely 10 years ago, soda came in glass bottles and diapers were reusable... and now its all plastic bottles that break into 4 pieces of plastic when opened, and single use plastic packaging...and now we have a plastic problem that makes everyone think we need to "change our old ways of doing thins" to "new ways of recycling to save the planet".

Just stick to the old ways... it's the new ways that caused the problems we have..., it was better when we reused things.
Originally Posted by The Rodent
Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants
Why do I need to buy more things when I buy one thing?
And with energy saving lightbulbs, washers that use less energy and wash on colder temperatures, TVs that use less power, and so and so on... why is it our gas and electricity bills still keep going up?
Did the electrons demand higher wages? What is happening here? Who put the world on the "Crazy Cycle"? The "Psycho Path"? The "Tizzy Trail"? Do we just use everything more? We try to be greener and yet we're browner and yet no one wants anything to put any energy to changing it.
Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants
Why do I need to buy more things when I buy one thing?
And with energy saving lightbulbs, washers that use less energy and wash on colder temperatures, TVs that use less power, and so and so on... why is it our gas and electricity bills still keep going up?
Thankfully there are DVD-Rs on their way, for some reason some are used and unlabeled and in a case where blank ones go, and now I need a Mini USB to USB-C cable.
Why do I need to buy more things when I buy one thing?
Originally Posted by MovieGal
Its wet and cold
Exactly my thoughts when a dog nose prods me in the face when I sleep in by mistake.