The Shoutbox
Keep saying thoughtful and nuanced things, people, and I'll be forced to move this into a thread.
Agripp makes an interesting point just now that I hadn't considered before: that even if art is political, it doesn't obligate us to engage with it primarily on that level.
Originally Posted by Yoda
Anyway, for the purposes of running an art-themed forum, I think there's a pretty obvious (and necessary) distinction between examining the political stances films do or don't take, and just using them to pivot to talking about political issues explicitly.
True enough - that thread I was talking about is definitely one such example.
Originally Posted by Iroquois
Originally Posted by AgrippinaX
Fair enough. It felt like a bit of a rant, although I agree politics should probably be left alone in art-related forums.
I never said that politics should be left alone in regards to the discussion of art, though - if anything, art is inherently political (even if a given piece is lacking in overtly political content) and engaging with that is a necessary part of gaining a deeper appreciation for the form. Otherwise, it's just surface-level aesthetics.
It is true that most works of art espouse or put forward at least some form of ideology or worldview, but I dont think that makes art inherently political. The moment we are no longer able to view a work of art in an abstract manner, we lose the ability to enjoy it. It seems like a waste to me to lose a chance to appreciate something if you disagree with the ideology behind it.
Anyway, for the purposes of running an art-themed forum, I think there's a pretty obvious (and necessary) distinction between examining the political stances films do or don't take, and just using them to pivot to talking about political issues explicitly.
I've heard this argument before, and I think it's based on broadening the term without acknowledging said broadening.

"All art is political" is true in the sense that "everything can be art," but both statements are using the terms so broadly that they're rendered close to meaningless. And more importantly, it's kind of playing dumb, because it should be obvious that "politics" in this context means something a lot narrower.
Originally Posted by AgrippinaX
Fair enough. It felt like a bit of a rant, although I agree politics should probably be left alone in art-related forums.
I never said that politics should be left alone in regards to the discussion of art, though - if anything, art is inherently political (even if a given piece is lacking in overtly political content) and engaging with that is a necessary part of gaining a deeper appreciation for the form. Otherwise, it's just surface-level aesthetics.
Fair enough. It felt like a bit of a rant, although I agree politics should probably be left alone in art-related forums.
Originally Posted by AgrippinaX
Originally Posted by Iroquois
Not every day you see a thread get closed almost immediately and still see the OP get multiple reps anyway.
I was wondering about that. It wasnt that inflammatory... am I allowed to say that? 🤷🏼*♀️
I don't know, him referring to political correctness as "the ultimate prejudice" and working from there kind of taints the whole thing (even the points I might actually agree with or at least concede). The most charitable interpretation is that it seems redundant when the feminism-in-movies thread is already covering more or less the same topical ground.
Originally Posted by Iroquois
Not every day you see a thread get closed almost immediately and still see the OP get multiple reps anyway.
I was wondering about that. It wasnt that inflammatory... am I allowed to say that? 🤷🏼*♀️
Not every day you see a thread get closed almost immediately and still see the OP get multiple reps anyway.