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Originally Posted by AgrippinaX
Originally Posted by exiler96
(again though, I don't see exactly how different it is from using typical special effects to make this more morally questionable...maybe it wasn't a bad use afterall, heh).
I don’t really understand your point/angle here. ‘Typical special effects’ could never make someone who isn’t, I don’t know, Peter Cushing look like Peter Cushing.
So does the quality of it's technical outcome bother you more than the idea of it? because I'm sure it's been tried to reprise some characters in the past (and I think when these franchise flicks do it they really wanna bring back "characters" and not actors) from before in movies using "typical" tech = meaning ordinary VFX/whatever "acceptable" tools that has been tried and improved throughout decades...

Frankly I think that's what worries some people so much. What if this technology (lower cost, good enough results to be included in the final film) *doesn't* look creepy after a while... I may not like it, but the next generation of viewers, raised with all kinds of fake tweks on their daily social media tools, will care less I imagine...
Originally Posted by FilmBuff
Originally Posted by Allaby
Films use other tools like makeup, visual effects, and editing to make actors look and sound better and to improve the look of films. I don't think AI is that much different from any of the other tools used.
Would people have been as impressed by Meryl Streep if, instead of learning and mastering so many accents over her long career, she had just been relying on AI to accomplish that?

Isn't it more impressive that she did that by studying and practicing all of those various accents over the years?
It is definitely more impressive that she learned the accents herself, however there is more to a performance than an accent. Based on what I have read, it sounds like Adrien Brody's performance is still there and it is just touching up parts of his dialogue. It sounds very minimal to me.
Originally Posted by mattiasflgrtll6
It would be a disgrace, and no longer make her as worthy of all the accolades she's received.
Quite right.

It effectively devalues and undermines the efforts of so many actors (not just Meryl) over the years who made an extra effort to master difficult accents, something that very few actors have truly excelled at.

Once everyone can do it (with the AI), then it won't be remarkable at all.

If they had made Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves with this technology, then even Kevin Costner could have delivered his lines with a flawless British accent, and not sound like California Robin Hood.
Originally Posted by FilmBuff
Originally Posted by Allaby
Films use other tools like makeup, visual effects, and editing to make actors look and sound better and to improve the look of films. I don't think AI is that much different from any of the other tools used.
Would people have been as impressed by Meryl Streep if, instead of learning and mastering so many accents over her long career, she had just been relying on AI to accomplish that?

Isn't it more impressive that she did that by studying and practicing all of those various accents over the years?
It would be a disgrace, and no longer make her as worthy of all the accolades she's received
somedays i just really sad for no good reason. today was not one of those days. but it could have been.
Originally Posted by Allaby
Films use other tools like makeup, visual effects, and editing to make actors look and sound better and to improve the look of films. I don't think AI is that much different from any of the other tools used.
Would people have been as impressed by Meryl Streep if, instead of learning and mastering so many accents over her long career, she had just been relying on AI to accomplish that?

Isn't it more impressive that she did that by studying and practicing all of those various accents over the years?
Originally Posted by AgrippinaX
I don’t really understand your point/angle here. ‘Typical special effects’ could never make someone who isn’t, I don’t know, Peter Cushing look like Peter Cushing.
They did try that pretty hard in Rogue One.
It was something I was oddly enough more okay with at the time, but nowadays I feel like they probably shouldn't have done it. Trying to make an actor who's been dead for 26 years look like he's still there is veeeeery creepy looking back.
Originally Posted by mattiasflgrtll6
Wish The Shoutbox would allow you to edit your comments... -_-
Yup, I have often thought that. I constantly delete and repost.
Couldn't stand Ian Holm's role in Alien: Romulus. Moral ethics aside, it was the most irritatingly blatant use of fanservice that only makes it feel like they're trying WAY too hard to harken back to the original movie. Was no reason for it to be there at all.

The callback to "Get away from her, you bitch!" made me cringe really hard too.
Wish The Shoutbox would allow you to edit your comments... -_-
Originally Posted by exiler96
I admittedly don't watch a lot of new relases as I do older movies, but the one time that it bothered me (from an otherwise good movie) it was bringing Ian Holm back from the dead for Alien: Romulus.
(again though, I don't see exactly how different it is from using typical special effects to make this more morally questionable...maybe it wasn't a bad use afterall, heh).
I don’t really understand your point/angle here. ‘Typical special effects’ could never make someone who isn’t, I don’t know, Peter Cushing look like Peter Cushing.