[quote=Miss Vicky][quote=ash_is_the_gal]i agree, too.  whenever older members complain about how there's "no good people anymore", they sound like those people who say "oh i don't like new music i think all music after 1977 is complete crap"[/quote]

I don't think that analogy quite rings true though. I think for a lot of us, there are a specific group of people that make the experience on this forum what it is, and when those people start to cut back their activity, go into lurker status, or disappear entirely the experience isn't the same and is lessened. 

Also auto-tuning isn't a thing on forums.[/quote]

[quote=ash_is_the_gal][quote=rauldc14][quote=Yoda]Ya'll should give the newer people a chance. Everyone was new once.[/quote]

I do tend to agree with this though. If not for a couple of members who talked to me, I felt like a couple outcast here when I first joined.[/quote]
i agree, too.  whenever older members complain about how there's "no good people anymore", they sound like those people who say "oh i don't like new music i think all music after 1977 is complete crap"[/quote]

[quote=Joel]I'm too new to assume the position of any kind of mutiny. My decision to come here was my own and I'm staying until it sucks :P[/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=Miss Vicky]It's completely normal though to not feel like you fit in when joining any established group of people, whether online or in real life. And it goes both ways - Sure, established people need to give new people a chance, but newer people need to give it time and relax their defenses too.[/quote]
Yep, give and take.

When you think about how inherently messy throwing random people together at all is, let alone the whole established user/new user dynamic, it's amazing (to me, at least) any time any kind of equilibrium is achieved. But maybe I'm easily impressed.[/quote]

[quote=Miss Vicky]I will say though that I think there's a lot more to some established MoFos' disillusionment with the place than just the influx of new people. That's definitely true for me. The atmosphere isn't what it used to be. People aren't posting as much and many of those that are posting frequently are people I don't like (especially those whose m.o. seems to be stir up fights).

I'm slowly starting to feel like it's me who doesn't fit in.[/quote]

[quote=Joel]Yeah, like the whole me against the world mentality...I've been guilty of that before. But I dont think that should define your character..unless it's a habitual thing..like..always trying to start a provoking thread to insult a majority of people's taste and even worse their beliefs.[/quote]

[quote=Miss Vicky]It's completely normal though to not feel like you fit in when joining any established group of people, whether online or in real life. And it goes both ways - Sure, established people need to give new people a chance, but newer people need to give it time and relax their defenses too.[/quote]

[quote=Joel]It's got to be tough on somthing like the internet to gain trust and interest with a forum. I've never had the best luck as I just let it rip when I type. I suppoose if I were to painstakingly do damage control and over think every sentence it's possible I'd fit in better. It IS a balancing act if you want success (whatever THAT is). I have noticed some grouchiness and maybe some entitlement with a few members and that's to be expected. Everyone has their own story and tactics to exist as significant on the internet. But there is definitely a trend to keep people at arm's length and I think that opportunities to engage in convo have been there but not always capitalized on out of lack of interest or lack of trust.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda]Yeah, I'm not trying to talk anyone into liking anyone else. Just reminding everyone that it's hard to stand out at first, and everybody new should get a chance to do so without being in the shadow of other users and all that.[/quote]

[quote=Miss Vicky]What counts as "newer"? 

The trouble I'm having is that I [i]have[/i] given certain people a chance and either they've made an impression on me (and not necessarily a good one) or they haven't and I barely know they exist.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda]I heard that a lot, particularly in the early days. The downside of having a close-knit group is that it can be difficult for new people to feel like they belong. It's been a constant balancing act, for sure.[/quote]