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Originally Posted by John McClane
I always find this quite funny coming from a religious person because they are just as guilty as I am when I say people who believe in God are crazy. I mean, if they *honestly* believe it they can't very well be crazy. Unless of course you're willing to surrender the notion that faith in God is crazy. Which I'd fine that hard pressed for any Christian to do.
I think there's a leap in logic here. Belief in God's technical ability to heal in no way infers that we should be totally reliant on it. That's the part of their beliefs that's crazy.

Originally Posted by John McClane
I never said they were normal Christians.
No, of course not; you never come out and say those sorts of things. But there was the usual, unmistakable implication that such craziness is standard for religion, rather than an abberation.
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Originally Posted by Yoda
They absolutely are crazy religious people.
I always find this quite funny coming from a religious person because they are just as guilty as I am when I say people who believe in God are crazy. I mean, if they *honestly* believe it they can't very well be crazy. Unless of course you're willing to surrender the notion that faith in God is crazy. Which I'd fine that hard pressed for any Christian to do.

For evidence of this, see: the 99.9% of Christians who go to the doctor.
I never said they were normal Christians.
But I still say Benjamin Franklin said it best: "To Follow by faith alone is to follow blindly."
"Faith in your partner, your fellow men, your friends, is very important, because without it there's no mutual component to your relationship, and relationships are important. So faith plays an important role, but faith in people you don't know, faith in religious or political leaders or even people on stages, people who are popular in the public eye, you shouldn't have faith in those people. You should listen to what they have to say and use it." -Greg Graffin
Faith is certainly not unreasonable, and McClane only gets to decide what he thinks is unreasonable, not what actually is unreasonable, a decision that can only be made by, of course...ME!


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Originally Posted by John McClane
Originally Posted by Powdered Water
How is what the did anything other than murder?
It's not any different. It was a horrible form of child abuse. The sad thing is they probably aren't "crazy religious people."

Just normal people that *actually* believe in that mumbo jumbo. Irrational thought processes like this form when we fancy faith over reason. But hey, I'm just sayin'...
Another irksome statement. I don't define faith as "stuff you believe despite the fact that it disagrees with everything we currently know." But apparently you do, John.

And yet you probably think you don't "take anything on faith," as the saying goes. So I'm guessing that whatever elements of your worldview are based on faith are things you'd find a way to categorize differently.

I reeeeally dislike the assumption that faith (as you define it, usually a belief in God) is by definition unreasonable.
Oh, and to continue with: "I don't know what its doing at your house but here its raining Cats and Dogs".

Yesterday: Snow and Sunshine. Today Rain. Gotta love Washington in Spring.
Originally Posted by John McClane

Irrational thought processes like this form when we fancy faith over reason. But hey, I'm just sayin'...
That's a pretty broad statement, but I kind of agree.
My mistake, I thought it said she'd died.