[quote=Sedai]SC, you are not going to believe this ****. Methane spill in MA today, people are all over the place with highways closed, etc. Anyway, I stop at Ass-mart to get some cat liter and cat food, and the place is just a huge mess, with people jammed in the parking lot etc. I am in the store, and I start to feel all weak and shakey. I need food badly, bad like Elf in Gauntlet. I deperately look around and see.... Subway.

I had to break down and bust my 3+ year "no fast food" run, and get a frippin Subway sub....

I blame you, for sure.

Pretty damn tastey though.[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]I don't know man, I am one of those lame snobby audio nerds. Just blow me off!  ;)

(I just can't help it though!)[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Pop a CD in, and you will see why. Sat/Sub systems destroy music, in the worst way. Also, bad speakers induce listener fatigue. Poor preamps and cheap drivers create listener fatigue in less than ten minutes, making the movie watching experience much less enjoyable. With my old Cambridge Soundworks Sat/Sub system, my GF would actually go back to the TV sound halfway through the film, because the mix sounded annoying, and started to grate on our nerves. It was clearly and definitely worse than TV sound in every way. There is just too much against poor speakers to even consider them, IMO. Being a bit older, and having learned the hard way, If I would have simply gone for good floorstanders, and dealt with stereo films for a while, then bought the center and surrounds and sub, I would have saved a ton of time and bad film experiences. 

While watching a film do you find yourself:

Turning it up during dialogue sequences and turning it down when the score comes up.

Constantly adjusting electronic EQ (another bad technology, that should never be applied to frquencies over 200Hz. Rooms should be tuned acoustically, never with technology.) to compensate for missing/low sound information.

Turning the fronts out at an angle to try and tame high pitched sound information.

Wondering why some effects and dialogue cut out, while others blast your face off.

So...yeah. Frequency holes, listener fatigue, poor music performance. Pleanty of reasons not to buy.  :)[/quote]

[quote=OG-]Sedai, that link points to a razor mouse because [url=www.woot.com]Woot![/url] is a site that posts one day deals (which are ususally pretty damn good), so you missed yesterday's.

Cheap speakers are lesser speakers, but that doesn't mean they're worthless.  Regardless of how inferior the $69 5.1 system (that was yesterday's Woot, which I know Yoda actually bought) is to a far, far more expensive system, it is still an upgrade from the stock stereo speakers built into your TV set.

There is an argument to be had if you consider the time usage.  My surround system for my living room, which is perfectly serviceable, only cost $170.  I do plan on replacing it with a far, far more expensive system once I have the luxury to do so, which won't be for a few years.  Let's imagine I can't afford the real system I want for another 5 years, but I can afford a far cheaper, but still more than decent system now.  

Why not buy it?  It's better than what you have already, which is nothing.  And over that 5 years, the cost of enjoying 5.1 surround sound with all over your movies and TV shows is certainly worth that original price, which becomes tiny in comparison to the time enjoyed.[/quote]

[quote=ash_is_the_gal]good for you Sedai!  woo hoo...
i still love In N Out though...[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]OG, that link points to a razor mouse. Also, IMO, there is no such thing as a cheap surround system. Cheap speakers are bad speakers, no matter what you look at. Good speaker technology costs money, with no corners to cut. Take the same money that was going to go to some terrible "all inclusive" surround system, and buy one or two separates. Later, fill in the rest of the system. Otherwise, in three years, you will do it anyway, but will have wasted a chunk of change on a system you end up giving your nine-year old nephew, as it turned out to have a massive hole in the mid-bass (this is ANY Sat/Sub system), and 5 or 7 underpowered, incredibly inefficent cubes. 

No argument to be had here. It is impossible for a 2" driver to cover mid-bass, and subs just ignore anything over about 220-280 Hz.

Get floorstanders or get into gardening![/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Interesting fact about Subway. They no longer consider food their source of profit, but real estate instead. they have so many locations (moreso than ANY other fast food joint, including McDoo), that real estate has become more of a profit for the corporation...

- exerpt from Fast Food Nation, The Dark Side of the American Meal


And no, I won't be eating there, ever. I have been off the fast food for years now. If not for the poor quality of the meats etc, I wouldn;t go due to the lame franchise traps they run and the ridiculously poor worker service economics they support.

No thanks.[/quote]

[quote=OG-]Works fine for me...[/quote]

[quote=ash_is_the_gal]is it just me or is Mofo being a big pain in the rump for anyone else this morning?[/quote]

[quote=spudracer]Yokosuka was where I was at.  Went to Tokyo, Okinawa, and somewhere else I can't remember.[/quote]

[quote=Alvin]Where in Japan did you go? I hated it all apart from Kyoto and night-time Tokyo. Osaka is about the most dreadful place I've ever been.[/quote]