[quote=The Gnat]scratch that there are more reviews now, there used to be less then 10 and two were F's and obviously from "Christians".[/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=The Gnat]I think the biggest difference between what happens to Christians and what Christians do when they make fun of Muslims, etc. is that if someone catches a hold of the fact that Christians are being ridiculed, no one actually cares, that just happens.  If a Christian ridicules someone and any sort of media, etc. catches a hold of it, the Christian better have a two page apology prepared within twenty minutes and still be prepared to be raked over the coals.[/quote]
That's a pretty good observation, I'd say.

Now I'll possibly surprise some of you by saying that the above, while not ideal, comes with the territory. I'm okay with the majority having to tread just a little more lightly than the minority. I'm not cool with the extremes it goes to, for sure, but as an abstract concept I can understand why the dominant religion in a given society is expected to treat smaller religions with kid gloves. Being skeptical of power in all its forms is not a terrible policy.

It's a little out of control, though. I'd certainly agree with that.[/quote]

[quote=The Gnat]http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808718640/user

Can you figure out who the two "Christians" who posted "reviews" on The Golden Compass are?

Honestly, as a Christian, it pisses me off so much to read those reviews by people that have little to no clue what they are talking about.  If you are on facebook and want something fun to do, read the message boards in some of the groups that are opposed to "The Golden Compass".  Some people there do point out good reasons as to why Christians don't like it, but you can tell that so many people in there have seen "the e-mail" that tells them that the books are bad, and therefore they decide that the books and movie are from the devil.  I especially like the posts on those message boards from the people who claim that they could tell in the first book that it was anti-religion and were so offended that they stopped reading.  I read those books and it is so hidden in the first one that no one, without knowing it was there, would have any clue it was going on, and no one could be offended by it going on in the first one as it is so subtle and for the most part non-existent in that one.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][quote=Yoda]People who do the reverse to other religions or non-believers are hypocrites, yes. I would venture to say that these people are in the minority, but they're there.[/quote]You really think so? A majority of my experiences with Christians would say otherwise. But then again, there are a LOT more Christians out there. ;)[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][quote=linespalsy]@ John: Would you consider that as anti-christian discrimination?[/quote]Would I consider inter-religious turmoil as anti-Christian discrimination? No, of course not. Just as I wouldn't believe that if it were atheists, or Jews, or Muslims. In those cases it's just constructive criticism, IMO.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=John McClane]OK, I see what you're saying now. But why not just feel personally involved with ANY type of injustice?[/quote]
Well, they should! :) But I think it's understandable to feel more involved when people who share your race, religion or ideology are attacked.

[quote=John McClane]So is being treated like a third class citizen, but you don't see me complaining......much. ;) The amusing thing is that a lot of the mocking things are done by Christians who aren't as offended. But worse yet, to hear Christians gripe about being ridiculed when they do the same thing to Muslims, or Jews, is just sickening.[/quote]
People who do the reverse to other religions or non-believers are hypocrites, yes. I would venture to say that these people are in the minority, but they're there. All I can say is that I hope most people will be diligent enough to recognize them for what they are, and gravitate towards more reasonable (and more typical) representatives of Christianity.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]Dammit! I just sneezed again. More blood. :(

And yea, they are chapped.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=linespalsy]@ Chris: How do you reconcile that with the "world-wide brotherhood" Christian doctrine (or whatever you would call such a generalized feeling)?[/quote]
I don't know that it requires reconciliation. Some Christians feel it, and others don't. And some are downright hateful. Most are just misguided, though. If you ask hateful people what they hate, they'll never admit to bigotry; there's always some rationalization.

So, it may sound like a lazy answer, but I think it's the right one: when you've got 2 billion people under one religion, you're going to have plenty of disagreements, and some of those are going to get pretty ugly.[/quote]

[quote=The Gnat]I think the biggest difference between what happens to Christians and what Christians do when they make fun of Muslims, etc. is that if someone catches a hold of the fact that Christians are being ridiculed, no one actually cares, that just happens.  If a Christian ridicules someone and any sort of media, etc. catches a hold of it, the Christian better have a two page apology prepared within twenty minutes and still be prepared to be raked over the coals.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]The "I Was Wrong" Bump. ;)[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]OK, I see what you're saying now. But why not just feel personally involved with ANY type of injustice?

[quote]It's not martyrdom, but being openly mocked for your beliefs is still persecution. This is not to say, of course, that you haven't met people who hysterically overreact to such things; perhaps they do. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to react to at all.[/quote]So is being treated like a third class citizen, but you don't see me complaining......much. ;) The amusing thing is that a lot of the mocking things are done by Christians who aren't as offended. But worse yet, to hear Christians gripe about being ridiculed when they do the same thing to Muslims, or Jews, is just sickening.[/quote]