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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Some interesting/relevant discussion here: What...

Some interesting/relevant discussion here: What Does a 'Buy' Button Really Mean in the Digital Age? (https://bulwarkhollywood.thebulwark.com/p/what-does-a-buy-button-really-mean)

Short version:...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: "artists can still eat." I realize if...

Re: "artists can still eat."

I realize if you download Kanye's latest album he's still going to be stupid rich. This is similar to the "oh right Marvel's going to go out of business if I don't buy...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

Re: the analogy at the end there. I will preemptively note that I am not equating physical goods with digital ones. The analogy is only about the dubious logic of using extreme circumstances to...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
This is basically what I mean. I can only get so...

This is basically what I mean. I can only get so worked up about this idea, so long as people are clear-headed about it. If you understand that it might not be morally defensible but you're willing...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea that a lot of copyright law needs to be reformed, but I'm not convinced pirating accomplishes that. I'm also not convinced most pirating is done by people who are...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
A good article...

A good article (https://observer.com/2021/11/marvel-eternals-box-office-budget-hollywood-blockbusters-covid/), ostensibly about COVID effects on blockbusters, that actually directly relates to some...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Oh, I think it's more true for movies, since the...

Oh, I think it's more true for movies, since the distribution cost is effectively zero now. Unless you're talking only about showing them on theater screens, in which case the arguments have to shift...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

Saying you'd pay for Netflix if it had the same selection as torrents isn't really saying much, since that means you'd have to have access to basically every movie and TV show ever shortly after its...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

Can't explain without spoiling something. ;)
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

What's interesting about piracy due to lack of availability is that it's self-perpetuating: perhaps it's not economically viable at first, but if the result is that people in these places pirate...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
I think there's probably something midway between...

I think there's probably something midway between "weak" and "strong" that we might entertain. That we're actually (mostly) already doing.


Aye. Why is Welles imbued with a special authority...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
I don't think any of those things constitute an...

I don't think any of those things constitute an argument against intellectual property. In order:

The Picasso bit just shows the natural limits of IP in certain mediums (or at certain times).
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

I mean the concept itself. The concept can be necessary, but tricky to implement reasonably, as evidenced by the occasional weird edge case.
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Intellectual property is clearly a tricky case,...

Intellectual property is clearly a tricky case, in that I think you'd have to be pretty extreme to suggest no form of it should exist (we clearly get a ton of societal benefit, in the long-term, in...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

Pirating films like that is probably one of the things that makes it harder for them for be produced in salable form in the first place.
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

The standard argument is "well in looting the item is gone, but with piracy it's a copy." Which isn't a nothing distinction, but also isn't much of a defense unless you're willing to defend the idea...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

That's why I mentioned morality and ethics. Legally it's another matter, but a moral code based only on the law would be a very poor one.
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

People have lots of rationalizations for this, but the bottom line is they do it because they can get away with it and like keeping their money, and not because there's a serious moral/ethical...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Agreed. Obviously they have a vested interest in...

Agreed. Obviously they have a vested interest in exaggerating the effect, and they do.


The only real assumption it's based in is that people like money. ;) There's a great book by Henry Hazlett...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Which part? The exact amount is debatable, to be...

Which part? The exact amount is debatable, to be sure. As is whether or not there are "tier" effects, and whether the correlation might be swamped by other factors. But the general effect of...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

The spoiler thing is an interesting angle, to be sure. Good point.
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
I dunno if we had very different childhoods, but...

I dunno if we had very different childhoods, but I don't think it really works this way. Being excluded is kind of binary: you're not double excluded if you wear secondhand clothes and haven't seen...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Re: Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?

That's pretty much where I come down, Dani. Ethically, the justifications just don't work. Doesn't make it, ya' know, murder. I'm not going to tell you I've never done it (though rarely, and I've...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Whoa, hold up. Episode VII was a major cultural...

Whoa, hold up. Episode VII was a major cultural event, years in the making. It broke records. The overwhelming majority of movies have < 1% as much cultural impact as that film did. So if that's...
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Why do you pirate movies/TV shows?
Posted By Yoda
Yeah, I wear plenty of secondhand clothes, and...

Yeah, I wear plenty of secondhand clothes, and nobody can tell, or cares. In lots of circles it's considered cooler. EDIT: I actually think the jeans I'm wearing right now are from the thrift store....

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