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Tyler1 08-04-12 11:22 PM

Nicholas Ray, Ranked
 
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/ima...ynicholas1.jpg
There's a reason why the French and Cahiers adore this man's work. My first introduction to Nicholas Ray was 2 years ago when I picked up a copy of Rebel Without A Cause. Back then I only knew the likes of Alfred Hitchcock and Akira Kurosawa. Upon its first viewing, I wasn't completely blown away by Rebel Without A Cause, not until I rewatched it and became aware of its social context did I finally realise its importance in canonical cinema.

1. Johnny Guitar
2. In A Lonely Place
3. Rebel Without A Cause
4. Bigger Than Life
5. On Dangerous Ground

Johnny Guitar is perfect. 5 Stars (For someone who isnt a big fan of Westerns this is a sheer unique piece of work) In A Lonely Place is close to being a masterpiece, but also worthy of 5 Stars. Rebel Without A Cause and Bigger Than Life both exceeded my expectations, so they get no less than 3.5 Stars. I remember liking On Dangerous Ground as well, the first part involves the police procedural and the second about the chase.

I have yet to see They Live By Night and The Lusty Men.

mark f 08-05-12 02:24 AM

Re: Nicholas Ray, Ranked
 
First off, Holden Pike would give all these films higher than I do. In a Lonely Place is certainly his favorite. I'll rate them rather than rank them, but if anybody wants me to differentiate, ask and I will.

They Live By Night (48)

Knock on Any Door (49)
+
A Woman's Secret (49)

In a Lonely Place (50)
+
Born to Be Bad (50)

The Flying Leathernecks (51)

On Dangerous Ground (52)

The Lusty Men (52)

Johnny Guitar (54)

Run For Cover (55)

Rebel Without a Cause (55)

Hot Blood

Bigger Than Life (56)

The True Story of Jesse James (57)

Wind Across the Everglades (58)

Party Girl (58)

The Savage Innocents (60)

King of Kings (61)

55 Days at Peking (63)

HitchFan97 08-05-12 01:09 PM

Re: Nicholas Ray, Ranked
 
Never watched any of his stuff, but I'll be seeing Rebel Without a Cause soon. If Johnny Guitar is unlike most Westerns, then there's a good chance I'll like it :D

will.15 08-05-12 02:36 PM

Re: Nicholas Ray, Ranked
 
King of Kings is quite bad with its silly casting and stilted style.

Bigger than Life is one of his best films with an outstanding performance by James Mason.

Upton 08-12-12 06:46 AM

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Haven't seen enough of Ray. I'll disagree on James Mason being great in Bigger Than Life, though. Not that I don't get a kick from the subversiveness of casting him in the role, but he just takes it in a way too overwrought direction, even for that movie. And I mean you can't remotely take him seriously when he picks up a football, either. That movie just has weird casting all around. Walter Matthau, schlubby as ever, as the studly gym teacher?!

Tyler1 11-08-12 06:50 AM

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Just rewatched In A Lonely Place. For now I think it's the director's most personal and powerful work.

http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-...nely-place.jpg

Instead of the usual detective-murder noir it turns out to be nothing less than a seering portrait of a man so caught up with his own frustration, and his inability to control his volatile temperament, severing the relationship with his lover. Bogart's embittered character reflected Nicholas Ray's estranged relationship with his wife at that time, who was none other than the actress Gloria Grahame.

This is Bogart and Ray at their cruellest. I highly recommend this film.

HitchFan97 11-08-12 05:35 PM

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Didn't know that story about Ray and Gloria Grahame :up:

Allaby 07-10-22 02:13 PM

My ranking of what I have seen:

1. They Live by Night
2. Rebel Without a Cause
3. King of Kings
4. In a Lonely Place
5. Johnny Guitar
6. On Dangerous Ground
7. Party Girl
8. Hot Blood

Gideon58 10-19-22 06:59 PM

Didn't realize how little of Ray's work I had seen. Of course, I loved Rebel Without a Cause, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed In a Lonely Place and Party Girl.

Citizen Rules 10-19-22 07:32 PM

I just seen Nicholas Ray's Hot Blood with Jane Russell the other night, really weak movie, surprisingly unfocused...otherwise most of Ray's films are solid.

I've seen these and they are ranked:

1950 In a Lonely Place
1956 Bigger Than Life
1954 Johnny Guitar
1958 Party Girl
1949 A Woman's Secret
1951 Flying Leathernecks
1952 The Lusty Men
1952 Macao
1957 The True Story of Jesse James
1956 Hot Blood

crumbsroom 10-20-22 04:53 PM

Re: Nicholas Ray, Ranked
 
Everyone I've seen is great. And I still have a bunch more to go. Life is good.



Johnny Guitar is the best, so far. All the others are tied for second place.

GulfportDoc 10-20-22 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2341144)
I just seen Nicholas Ray's Hot Blood with Jane Russell the other night, really weak movie, surprisingly unfocused...otherwise most of Ray's films are solid.

I've seen these and they are ranked:

1950 In a Lonely Place
1956 Bigger Than Life
1954 Johnny Guitar
1958 Party Girl
1949 A Woman's Secret
1951 Flying Leathernecks
1952 The Lusty Men
1952 Macao
1957 The True Story of Jesse James
1956 Hot Blood
I'm shocked that you haven't seen Rebel Without A Cause.

You must watch it tonight...;)

BTW, I agree with your ranking of In a Lonely Place. Gloria was great in that one, and I think it was one of Bogart's finest performances.

Citizen Rules 10-20-22 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2341369)
I'm shocked that you haven't seen Rebel Without A Cause.

You must watch it tonight...;)

BTW, I agree with your ranking of In a Lonely Place. Gloria was great in that one, and I think it was one of Bogart's finest performances.
Whoops, that was just me with a sloppy copy & paste. I've seen Rebel Without A Cause but I sure need to see it again as it was some 15 years ago. I haven't seen In a Lonely Place for a long while, but I'm currently working my way through Bogart's filmography so I'll get a chance to see it again.

I have to say as much as I like Bogart he was sure in a lot of average films in the beginning of his career. I'm up to 1939 and the last film I seen of his was The Oklahoma Kid. Why Warner Bros. thought Bogart and Cagney would be good in a western is beside me! Well Cagney was good but Bogart just looked plain uncomfortable.

GulfportDoc 10-21-22 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (Post 2341382)
Whoops, that was just me with a sloppy copy & paste. I've seen Rebel Without A Cause but I sure need to see it again as it was some 15 years ago. I haven't seen In a Lonely Place for a long while, but I'm currently working my way through Bogart's filmography so I'll get a chance to see it again.

I have to say as much as I like Bogart he was sure in a lot of average films in the beginning of his career. I'm up to 1939 and the last film I seen of his was The Oklahoma Kid. Why Warner Bros. thought Bogart and Cagney would be good in a western is beside me! Well Cagney was good but Bogart just looked plain uncomfortable.
Yeah, you're right about Bogie. He was mostly type cast as a second banana gangster, and couldn't break out of it until High Sierra (1941). He played a gangster in it, but he starred, and the role had some depth. Then the same year he cemented his big league stardom in The Maltese Falcon. John Huston had written the screenplay for "Sierra". So after he and Bogie became drinking buddies, Huston was happy to have him as Sam Spade in "Falcon". From then onward Bogie's career went straight up.

Citizen Rules 10-21-22 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by GulfportDoc (Post 2341604)
Yeah, you're right about Bogie. He was mostly type cast as a second banana gangster, and couldn't break out of it until High Sierra (1941). He played a gangster in it, but he starred, and the role had some depth. Then the same year he cemented his big league stardom in The Maltese Falcon. John Huston had written the screenplay for "Sierra". So after he and Bogie became drinking buddies, Huston was happy to have him as Sam Spade in "Falcon". From then onward Bogie's career went straight up.
Not that I haven't enjoyed some of his lesser known 1930s films but it will be a joy to get to his heavy hitters like the ones you mentioned. It's funny how some actors start out in obscurity and have to work their way to the top, while others like Greg Peck started out in a leading role right from the start.


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