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Guaporense 06-29-13 03:39 PM

Director's duel: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
How about this? Two of the greatest art film makers face off.

I selected the 8 full length movies Tarkovsky did (The Steamroller and the Violin is 46 minutes long) and the 8 highest rated and most popular Bergman movies.

The Steamroller and the Violin (1960) vs Wild Strawberries (1957)
Ivan's Childhood (1962) vs The Seventh Seal (1957)
Andrei Rublev (1966) vs The Virgin Spring (1960)
Solaris (1972) vs Through a Glass Darkly (1961)
The Mirror (1975) vs Winter Light (1963)
Stalker (1979) vs Persona (1966)
Nostalghia (1983) vs Cries and Whispers (1972)
The Sacrifice (1986) vs Fanny and Alexander (1982)

Voting ends in July 5. The top 8 movies will then be placed against each other for the second round.

Guaporense 06-29-13 03:40 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
The Steamroller and the Violin (1960) vs Wild Strawberries (1957)
Ivan's Childhood (1962) vs The Seventh Seal (1957)
Andrei Rublev (1966) vs The Virgin Spring (1960)
Solaris (1972) vs Through a Glass Darkly (1961)
The Mirror (1975) vs Winter Light (1963)
Stalker (1979) vs Persona (1966)
Nostalghia (1983) vs Cries and Whispers (1972)
The Sacrifice (1986) vs Fanny and Alexander (1982)

mark f 06-29-13 03:48 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
All the Bergman.

Guaporense 06-29-13 03:55 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Seriously? All right.

jiraffejustin 06-29-13 04:03 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
This is interesting. I guess I need to watch some Tarkovsky now.

wintertriangles 06-29-13 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by mark f (Post 918313)
All the Bergman.
Seconded, not to lessen my enjoyment of Tarkovsky. Bergman just appeals to my theatrical affinities.

Mr Minio 06-29-13 05:04 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
The Steamroller and the Violin is the only one I haven't seen, but I'm not gonna vote anyway. I love them both too much to bother who's better.

Nausicaä 06-29-13 05:33 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Yep, I'm with the All Bergman Team. :)

The Steamroller and the Violin (1960) vs Wild Strawberries (1957)
Ivan's Childhood (1962) vs The Seventh Seal (1957)
Andrei Rublev (1966) vs The Virgin Spring (1960)
Solaris (1972) vs Through a Glass Darkly (1961)
The Mirror (1975) vs Winter Light (1963)
Stalker (1979) vs Persona (1966)
Nostalghia (1983) vs Cries and Whispers (1972)
The Sacrifice (1986) vs Fanny and Alexander (1982)

Gabrielle947 06-29-13 06:08 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Tarkovsky!

The Gunslinger45 06-29-13 06:10 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
I can only vote for one selection since I have only seen four movies a piece for each director.

Ivan's Childhood (1962) vs The Seventh Seal (1957)

mark f 06-29-13 06:11 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Gabrielle, which Tarkovsky movies beat which Bergman movies in the shown head-to-head match-ups?

HitchFan97 06-29-13 06:19 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Stalker (1979) vs Persona (1966)

What better way to divide a room of cinephiles than with a matchup like this? Stalker is the only Tarkovsky I've seen, and while he's clearly a very technically accomplished filmmaker I find him a bit too deliberately opaque for my tastes, not unlike Terrence Malick. Bergman, on the other hand, is a director who's more concerned with studying people, which is more in line with my own personal sensibilities. I'm not scrambling to watch more of Tarkovsky's films but I will watch this thread with interest. Also, if this is top Bergman Scenes From a Marriage should totally be included. :p

Mr Minio 06-29-13 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by HitchFan97 (Post 918391)
Bergman, on the other hand, is a director who's more concerned with studying people
You said that like Tarkovsky isn't. Especially in this particular film - Stalker.

mark f 06-29-13 06:23 PM

Re: Director's face off: Andrei Tarkovsky vs Ingmar Bergman
 
Originally Posted by HitchFan97 (Post 918391)
Also, if this is top Bergman Scenes From a Marriage should totally be included. :p
The Magician too.

Guaporense 06-29-13 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by HitchFan97 (Post 918391)
Bergman, on the other hand, is a director who's more concerned with studying people, which is more in line with my own personal sensibilities.
Actually, every film director is about people.

Bergman is more about dialogue while Tarkosvky is more about the pure art of cinema (images and sounds). Hence, I place Bergman about a league below Tarkovsky on my list, though some of his best movies are better than Tarkovsky's weak movies.

Also I noticed that people here that each film should be decided on a case by case basis. People saying "all Bergman" should think each case a little more carefully.

Guaporense 06-29-13 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by mark f (Post 918394)
The Magician too.
Since Tarkovsky made only 8 movies over 45 minutes, I just put down 8 Bergman movies that were highest rated in the IMDB and that appear to be his most popular (Cries and Whispers isn't that highly rated but is very popular among film critics).

mark f 06-29-13 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Guaporense (Post 918441)
Also I noticed that people here that each film should be decided on a case by case basis. People saying "all Bergman" should think each case a little more carefully.
We have.

ThomasP 06-29-13 09:54 PM

The Steamroller and the Violin (1960) vs Wild Strawberries (1957)
Ivan's Childhood (1962) vs The Seventh Seal (1957)
Andrei Rublev (1966) vs The Virgin Spring (1960)
Solaris (1972) vs Through a Glass Darkly (1961)
The Mirror (1975) vs Winter Light (1963)
Stalker (1979) vs Persona (1966)
Nostalghia (1983) vs Cries and Whispers (1972). . . Not seen Nostalghia
The Sacrifice (1986) vs Fanny and Alexander (1982)

wintertriangles 06-29-13 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by mark f (Post 918394)
The Magician too.
Seriously, I watch The Magician the most.

Guaporense 06-29-13 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by mark f (Post 918444)
We have.
I don't doubt that you have watched all these 16 movies. However, I doubt that all these people have watched all these 16 movies and prefer each Bergman movie to each Tarkovsky film at each case. :D


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