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Variety has reported that Andy and Ryan Tohill, who directed the well-reviewed Irish thriller The Dig are set to direct a full-on reboot of the 1974 horror classic The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which will be produced by renowned genre director Fede Alvarez (The Evil Dead remake and Don't Breathe) and producing partner Rodolfo Sagayues with Chris Thomas Devlin tackling the script.


Alvarez had this to say about the hiring of the Tohill Brothers:
“The Tohill’s vision is exactly what the fans want. It’s violent, exciting and so depraved that it will stay with you forever.”

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Shooting has begun on the new Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. It is pretty much confirmed they are going the route of 2018's Halloween, with this new film retconning all the sequels (and remakes). However, the Tohill Brothers left production only after one week as Legendary were unhappy with the footage that was given. A replacement has already been found in David Blue Garcia. The new film reportedly involves 2 sisters from California who go to Texas for a business trip (the younger one is in a wheelchair) and they come face to face with a now elderly Leatherface.

Sadly, Gunnar Hansen passed away in 2015, so a new actor yet to be named will play the chainsaw wielding maniac.

Garcia is shooting the entire film from scratch, which is now happening in Bulgaria with Elsie Fisher, Sarah Yarkin, Jacob Latimore, and Moe Dunford in the cast so far.

Again? Remakes and reboots everywhere and this franchise already had more than once attempt...

And by the sound of it, they are gonna screw up yet again. Hiring and firing people left and right just to get the movie done. That’s not gonna work. There needs to be a vision and there needs to be passion.

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Pretty much. Unless there's a genuinely intriguing hook that's not being mentioned in that rather generic-looking logline, it's looking like another underwhelming addition to the franchise.

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They really do not seem to have any idea what do with this series. Ever since 2003 we've had one remake, two reboots and one 3D movie. And all of them (except for possibly the remake, where the reception is more mixed) got pretty poor reviews. There are plenty of famous serial killers out there, surely there is something else they could make a franchise out of?

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I personally didn't like the original and thought it was boring. It just didn't have much of a story or a plot.

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It is official. The new film, which finished shooting, is going the Halloween route and retconning all sequels and reboots. The film will be set 47 years after the original. Alice Krige (Stephen King's Sleepwalkers) is replacing the late Marilyn Burns as the elderly Sally Hardesty, who I can only speculate, must help two sisters against a now 60s year old Leatherface.

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Yawn.

Hollow-wood needs writers.

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Yeah, just...what the hell. It's one thing to retcon every other installment like Halloween '18 did, but to recycle the same "final girl is now old and bitter" plot is just shameless. Imagine if this starts a trend where we have to see older versions of Nancy Thompson or Kirsty Cotton have to deal with their respective nemeses for the "first" time.

And as much as I've liked Alice Krige in the past (she was indelible as the Borg Queen), she seems extremely miscast as Sally Hardesty, even an old and traumatised version.

The role of Sally Hardesty may actually be played by Irish actress Olwen Fouere (Mandy) as she seems to resemble more of Sally Hardesty.

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I dunno, Sally didn't look in any shape to be doing a sequel at the end of the original

Maybe a theory would be she spent time in a mental health facility and eventually found herself strong enough to face off against Leatherface again, much like Laurie Strode did in Halloween. Who knows? The new film does completely retcon all the sequels and remakes.



Although in TCM: The Next Generation, we do see Sally 20 years later still in the hospital as Marilyn Burns appeared in a cameo. Still wished she was with us to return for the 2021 film. :(

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I don't know what to think, from my point of view only the first one was good

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wait are they rebooting again?

They're doing a direct sequel a la 2018's Halloween. Not counting any of the sequels or remakes or even the 2013 "sequel" and 2017 "prequel". This is a new sequel directly 47 years after the 1974 original. On the plus side, producer Fede Alvarez said they are used vintage lenses to give it that old school and practical effects like he did with his remake of The Evil Dead.

ohhhh okay thank you

Olwen Fouere is confirmed as the older Sally Hardesty.


Mark Burnham has been confirmed as the older Leatherface.


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I absolutely love the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie but I just cannot get excited about any sequels, prequels, remakes or whatever other excuse there is to get the characters back on screen. Another case of desperation cinema to make a quick buck. Here today, forgotten tomorrow.

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Seems like they're pulling the same trick as the 3D movie from 2014 in positioning it as a direct sequel to the original. That movie wasn't terrible, in my humble opinion. It looked nice enough and I liked some of the cast. I prefer it to the 2003 remake at least.


I would have been more excited if Alvarez was directing as I think he has what it takes to do justice to the franchise (based on Don't Breathe and his Evil Dead remake), but I have a hard time imagining this will be worse than the Leatherface prequel from a few years ago, which I found aggressively unpleasant. (Not to be confused with Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 which is pretty decent, '90s sheen aside.)

Let's face it..nothing could be worse then The Next Generation...now that's very cringeworthy and not in a good way either.

I too actually thought the 2013 "sequel" had quite a nice touch. My only issue is that the character of Heather should have been older or at least mention it was set in the 90's rather than 40 years later. But I thought Dan Yeager actually made for a good "elderly" Leatherface. The whole anti hero bit in the end really surprised me.

I am interested to see how Mark Burnham will take on the role of the elderly Leatherface. I hope he does it justice that would make Gunnar Hansen proud as well as seeing Olwen Fouere do Marilyn Burns proud as the elderly Sally.

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I didn't mind Heather's age as I am not immune to the charms of Alexandra Daddario, but I also don't get too fussed about continuity in these cases.


TBH I think the horror of the original is a little too specific to make it easy material for good sequels, so not entirely surprised there have been so few well liked entries in the series.


I think a better franchise to revive would be the Friday the 13th series, but I understand the rights situation is a mess. A simpler concept and easier to riff on, IMO.

Well, here's the situation with Friday....Victor Miller was given the rights only of the original film, but doesn't own the rights to the adult Jason Voorhees. This is where the mess lies. Sean Cunningham did post an appeal but later withdrew it for technical reasons. Miller only owns the original film's rights but he does want to get involved with a new installment or reboot but it all lies with the rights of adult Jason from what I read.

There was a similar case with Child's Play. MGM only owned the rights to the original film so they were allowed to remake it, which they did. They did ask creator Don Mancini, who hated the concept and flat out refused. With Universal having the rights to all the sequels, this allowed Mancini to continue with the upcoming series Chucky after all the film sequels.

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The film will be simply called Texas Chainsaw Massacre and it is naturally given an R-Rating.

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The film will be exclusively on Netflix.
https://www.slashfilm.com/590423/new...t-netflix-now/

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February 18, 2022 will be the date Netflix premieres Texas Chainsaw Massacre with two new images from Entertainment Weekly:

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Fede Alvarez explains the "Old Man Leatherface" route:
"It's basically the same character, who is still alive. Our take on it was this guy probably disappeared after everything he's done. You know, how do you catch a guy who has a mask? Once he removes the mask and runs away, it's very easy for him to hide somewhere. This story will pick it up many, many years after the original story. He's been in hiding for a long, long time, trying to be a good person. These people arriving in this town are going to awaken the giant."

Yeah, pretty much; I mean, I did think it was a good enough movie on the whole due to how well Tobe directed it in general, but the fundamental experience just don't have enough going on for it to be a truly great movie. I mean, there's only so much worthwhile material you can get out of a movie where the second half is literally nothing but watching a single character just being chased around and tortured the whole time, you know?

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Mark Burnham as Leatherface in the new film, which comes out on February 18, 2022.

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John Larroquette is returning to do the film's opening narration, like he did with the 1974 original and the 2003 reboot
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I don't understand how you can make a sequel to the original. All Sally had to do after the original was, along with the truckdriver witness, call the police give statements, and the police and feds would be out there and find the crimes. The villains could have covered it up, but I don't think they would have been successful, but maybe it could work.

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What's not to understand about "they left the house and went on the run"?

They tried that with the 2013 reboot (with Sheriff Hooper offering to give Leatherface a fair trial for his surrender), but Hartman and his gang killed all the Sawyers except for Leatherface....I'm guessing for this new one which retcons all the previous sequels and reboots, events happened where Leatherface decides to leave everything behind and live a quiet life in Harlow until the social media influencers come and attempt to turn the place as a tourist destination.
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Saw it earlier tonight (in a probably ill-advised double-bill with the original) and...it's bad.

Obviously, the inclusion of Sally Hardesty invites inevitable comparisons to the recent Halloween movies and there's something to be said not just about how derivative this concept is but just how perfunctory it is in the grand scheme of things. Obviously, more weight in given to a whole new group of young people, but man is it getting embarrassing how modern horror feels like it has something to say but says it in the clunkiest way possible (with the plot here involving woke millennials and zoomers stirring up trouble because they're trying to gentrify the ghost town where Leatherface is living peacefully). Thankfully, it's short enough and there are some sufficiently decent moments of violence or tension, but it seems perpetually indecisive as to how much it wants to capture the scarier aspects of the original or the absurdity of Hooper's Part II (the latter of which was better at balancing the two). In any case, congrats for making a TCSM movie that involves Teslas and TikTok, I guess.

Did you watch this at theatres? I love when they show older films, but a double bill with the original probably isn’t the best idea, since so many Homs it such high esteem that any remake would be seen as lacking in comparison.

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Nah, I watched both at home - the new one is being released straight to Netflix, after all. In any case, I've seen almost every other TCSM film (haven't seen Texas Chainsaw 3D yet) and, aside from Hooper's goofy Cannon-funded Part II, I've found that the rest of them range from meh at best to torturous at worst so I had adjusted my expectations accordingly anyway, but still...

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I've read many reviews and the general consensus is you're either going to like it or hate it. I personally liked it, but I wished they had given a certain character more screen time and things to do. Most agree the "bus scene" is the highlight of the film and Mark Burnham did a good job as the new Leatherface, replacing the late Gunnar Hansen. Olwen Fouere made the most of her screen time as Sally. Elsie Fisher was also great as Lila, the PTSD-stricken younger sister of one of the entrepreneurs.

The film was the 2nd watched Netflix movie in its opening weekend.

The first half establishes the mundane beginning of the day, and the slow intrusions of the strange and disturbing. Essential when it comes to providing us a contrast with what happens later.


The second half is a film which is about depicting tonally, visually and aurally the kind of nightmare this girl has got herself into.



This is all it needs. It dares to be pure cinema because it understands stripping the film down to this essence is where it will find its power. What most modern horror has got completely wrong is in trying to establish a supposedly 'proper movie' around this kind of film experiment (that is more about sweat and stink and spiders and blood and buzzing and screaming and the sound of bones clattering on the floor and hammers dropped into buckets than wasting its energy 'developing characters).



A 'normal' 'not boring' movie would have Sally, during her pursuit discovering details about the family history as if its a mystery that we need to be solved. Encountering previous survivors and enlisting their help as if its about the action and not the terror. Talking about her life outside of the frame of the film and how she wants to get back to it as if we need to know this to understand what is happening in this film that is exclusively about the Now.



All this kind of traditional approach would have done is a break from the high pitched terror of the last 45 minutes that doesn't relent. And why the hell would we want that when this kind of narrative driven noise would only get in the way of all the noises that actually matter (see above).


If only more movies knew how to actually be great like this one, commit to its premise, throw convention into the dumpster fire where it belongs, than the world would be a better place. And maybe then all of these horrid sequels could have figured out the magic of the original and not wasted our time by existing and adopting all these unneccessary elements that elevate nothing (like back story revelations, motivations, character developments, stupid politics).

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I regret that I only have one thumbs up to offer the preceding post.

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Also, it's taking all of my willpower to not post the Franklin Raspberry gif for the millionth time. :shifty:

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*sighs*

Am I actually going to have to set aside time to watch this someday?

A rare moment of levity in an otherwise relentlessly grim affair.

I just lent you an extra thumb by upvoting this. Do what you will with it.

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Growing up as a '70s sheltered suburban kid who liked monsters but was not very brave in general, there were certain films that terrified me before I'd even seen them, based on their reputation alone, or a scary trailer, or in this case, an incredibly unpleasant-sounding title.

Around age 20 I began to finally confront these films by actually watching them, and the result was usually relief that they weren't as bad as my 7-year-old brain had imagined. Turns out watching The Exorcist did not immediately condemn me to Hell as I'd feared. But in the case of TCM, it was about as as gnarly as that descriptive title had led me to believe it would be. A chainsaw massacre does not sound like a fun time, and this definitely reinforced that. So in terms of living up to my childhood imagination, TCM is the champ. I made it through unscathed and actually loved the film, but it disturbed me in all the right ways.

As Crumb said, a trip to the local Hall of Records to research the property's history and learn why the family is doing the things it's doing would have done nothing to add to the experience. It's one reason I've avoided all but one of the subsequent films.*

*I saw the Jessica Biel one back when I was still seeing every prominent horror film in theaters. Did not like.

I didn't feel that way about it, and to offer up an illustrating counter-example, one of the reasons why I think Alien is a great Horror movie, as well as just one of the greatest movies of all time in general (as opposed to TCM) is the fact that it not only gives us the sensation of extreme terror in its scary moments, but also makes those moments more impactful by pacing itself well, giving us time to breathe in-between the scares, so the effect of them continues to be terrifying, as opposed to becoming numbing (like with Hooper's movie). Like, the chestburster scene is obviously one of the all-time great shocks in movie history, but if Ridley Scott had paced Alien like TCM, then he would've tried to maintain that sense of extreme terror almost non-stop across the second half of his movie, which would've resulted in a much less effective experience, which is a mistake that Hooper failed to avoid with his film, IMO.

Just because Alien is also an excursion into a kind of claustrophobic terror, I think it is a mistake to be asking the two movies to be more similar as a way of making TCM better.


As accomplished and great and as unique a film as Alien is, it is in no way a formally daring film in the way that TCM is. And so for you to be asking Hoopers film to play more like Alien, is for you to ask it to not be exactly what makes it such a unique experience as well as such a uniquely visceral horror film.



It's often mentioned by the more astute critics out there (correctly), that what Texas Chainsaw Massacre is in its heart, is actually an outgrowth of experimental cinema. It really has more in common with Michael Snow's "Wavelength" then Tod Browning's "Dracula". Now if this particular experiment that it is doing doesn't work for you, I can get that. And I understand the reasoning you are laying out here (even though I would argue to my death that is a limited and ultimately wrong way to approach this movie). But to equate what Hooper has done here with a 'mistake' is to not be taking the film on its own terms. Terms that, for those that champion the film, are what make it one of the greatest (or simply the greatest) American independent movie of all time.



For example, I imagine for some, they would view the scene where one of the characters stumbles into the 'trophy room' as being an example of Hooper's amateurism. The scene goes on endlessly as it pans across discarded bones and skulls and skin lampshades and all other manner of nightmare fuel. It zooms in. It pans across. It cuts to her screaming. It zooms in on more bones. Pans across. Over and over again. For critics the scene likely seems as if it goes on a few beats too long because, I imagine, they would argue it continues long past the point where we as an audience understand what is in this room. How many bones do we actually need to see. But what Hooper is doing here is he's elongating what is a single moment for this girl. The paralysis that grips her as she takes everything in. Sure, we as an audience understand the information in the frame long before the scene ends, but to understand how she interprets it, we need to continue on and on and on. Make it seem as if there is a whole universe of human remains for her to take in, in what may be the longest ten seconds of her life (which will also be the last few seconds of her life).



You can extend this approach to the pursuit of Sally. Yes, we as an audience understand what is happening to her. And most filmmakers are under the impression that this is enough. But to understand her experience it must be pushed further and further and further past the breaking point. This is one of the essential ingredients of what makes TCM work. Its empathy towards the vantage point of the victims. It removes most of the thrill and excitement we generally might expect to engage us as we vicariously absorb mindless violence for our entertainment, and turns it into something that is gruelling, arduous, a torture to claw yourself to the end of. Breaking it up into bite sized portions is a disservice to the ugliness the film is depicting. A disservice to the whole point of the film.


Now, I've had my own struggles with canonized classics of the genre that are also deliberately unorthodox in their approach. I can't even recall how many times I had to sit threw Dawn of the Dead to appreciate the shagginess of its story. How Romero blends in so many disparate ideas into the film that it never really explores any of them terribly in depth, but by doing so, creates this panoramic view of this particular zombie invasion. It's not simply a story of surviving what is happening, but it is about the collapse of society and how everything in the world we know would be reordered. There is a good reason to not delve super in depth into any one of his mini-thesis' because by breaking it all up into what seems like tonal chaos actually accentuates the horror of a broken world. And for years and years and years I simply contended it was 'a mess'. And I was wrong, very wrong even though technically it very much definitely a mess. But it took me about seven watches to finally understand this.


So my advice to you is to barricade yourself in a room and watch nothing but Texas Chainsaw Massacre until you agree with me. No daylight. No sleeping. No water. Just this movie for decade upon decade until it breaks you in half.

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I think it's worth considering how Alien runs about 117 minutes and TCSM runs only 83 so you have to average out how differently they're paced across significantly different lengths of time. You can arguably draw parallels between the major events in each narrative and how the passage of time between them constantly grows shorter - the slow dread of the hitchhiker's introduction matches the exploration of the spaceship (and there is a considerable length of time before the next major scare, Leatherface's introduction and the chestburster respectively), then characters start getting knocked off until



and then a relentless third act dash for safety. At this rate, one could almost make the case that the actual final moments of Alien drag things out unnecessarily compared to the swift conclusion of TCSM.

Sound advice in most situations.

is it after the first one with jessica biel?

No, that was a remake. This one is a sequel.

Whoa, take it easy with the essay-length posts there, Corax :p Anyway, despite my feelings about the movie as a whole, I don't even disagree with anyone who feels that TCM has a more striking overall aesthetic than Alien... but, that doesn't mean it's the better movie, or even that I feel it's better-directed; direction on the whole isn't just about what your movie does with the sensory elements of cinematography or sound design, but also nuts-&-bolts storytelling aspects like tone and pacing, both of which Alien did a far better job with than TCM. I mean, I enjoy relatively "heightened" style as much the next person does (and TCM's aesthetic did keep it from being a complete waste for me), but sometimes great direction calls for discipline and restraint when warranted, which are qualities that Scott displayed throughout the entireity of Alien in order to better showcase the contributions that the cast, O'Bannon, Giger, and his other collaborators made to the movie, so if Scott's particular approach resulted in it being the better film for me (which it did), than the approach Hooper took was the more flawed one, regardless of how "intentional" it was.

ohhh okay

Words are free. So are thoughts. And sometimes those thoughts take lots of words. And I'm here to use all of them.



And the problem with Corax has never been how long his posts are. I actually appreciate that about him. When he sticks to the topic at hand and doesn't start inventing arguments to have with imaginary opponents, I think it's good to have other posters willing to break their thoughts open here, and take as long as it takes to articulate them.




You must know what I'm going to say about this, right? Even when words are free, there is hardly any reason to repeat myself on this point for the thousandth time, so I'll be kind and keep this very short.



The reality is, I'm not asking you to like this more than Alien. Or even like Texas Chainsaw Massacre at all if you choose not to. There are probably lots of great things out there I'm never going to like as much as I'm 'supposed' to either.



I'm just suggesting ways that can make you look at this movie that I am a big fan of (and basically any movie you are somewhat underwhelmed by) in a different light so you don't get stuck always feeling exactly as you do about it as you do right now. We're here to like movies after all, and if the parameters we stick ourselves in (and we all do this to one degree or another) keep us from liking more of them, maybe it's time to reconsider these parameters.

how many of texas chanonsaw massacre movies and tv series? lost count :/

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Checking IMDb trivia for Alien and apparently Scott cited Texas Chain Saw Massacre as an influence for crafting the horror side of things, which I can definitely see.

And there are nine movies in this franchise.

wait 9? gosh i think i only seen original 1974 version and the one with jessica biel thats it =/

But citing the specific runtime of TCM isn't going to change how I already fundamentally felt about it, though; I'm not going to find it a somewhat tiresome experience for the reasons I've explained, and then say to myself "But hey, it was only 83 minutes, so maybe it wasn't that tiresome after all!" (don't get me wrong, I was grateful it didn't go on for any longer than it did, but that's not enough for me to love it). Anyway, the similarities in plot/structure between the two movies doesn't override how much more effectively paced Scott's film was (if anything, the influence he took from Hooper's movie lead Scott to outperform him), and I have to disagree with the notion that Alien's "fourth act" on the escape shuttle was the film dragging itself out, since it was so much more satisfactory to watch one last face-to-face confrontation between Ripley and the Xenomorph. The only thing that I might change about it would be to maybe remove the moment when she comes across the alien initially blocking the way to the shuttle, since the final confrontation might have been even more impactful if it was the first time she'd personally encountered the Xeno, but that still ties into my central argument here that "less is more" here.

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So I have a breakdown of the franchise for those who do have interest. I call it the Texas Chainsaw Multiverse:

Original:
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2 (1986)

Remake:
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning (2006)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)

The Texas Chainsaw Millennium Edition:
Leatherface (2017)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
Texas Chainsaw 3D (2013)

The Texas Chainsaw Legendary Edition
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2022)

Alternate Universe #1
Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III (1990)

Alternate Universe #2
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation (1994)