About the pulp fiction movie
Hi guys, :)
So I just saw the pulp fiction by Quentin Tarantino because I have heard so much good about it. But when you hear so much about a movie, you expect something exciting to happen, so I was constantly thinking that at some point, the story will become very exciting or so. But nothing happened! So I watched the movie which was pretty much long about 2:45 hours, and nothing happened. I mean, it was just an ordinary day for some random gangsters. Then I asked myself, what was the purpose of the movie? Did the movie want to convey a special message? But when I think more, it doesn't have any meaning. It was just a meaningless movie without a proper story. Just to show the 3 or 4 superstars together and that is it. Pretty much the same thing happened in his latest movie "Once upon a time in Holleywood" but this movie had a beautiful message which was to refer to the death of Sharon Tate. So, Tarantino wished that the fortune would let Bradd Pitt kill those terrorists so that Sharon Tate would be safe on that night. But not such backstory exists for pulp fiction. will you leave a comment on that? Thanks |
Not all films have some hidden message. Sometimes it’s about the technique used to tell a story, although there is definitely some religious themes in Pulp Fiction if you look hard enough.
For example, the suit cases contents, and its combination to unlock it (666). The driving intervention that saves Travolta and Jackson and his subsequent conversation about it. |
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On a fundamental thematic level, Pulp Fiction is about redemption. Each of the three main chapters revolves around a criminal - Vincent in "Vincent Vega and Marsellus Wallace's Wife", Butch in "The Gold Watch", Jules in "The Bonnie Situation" - who is ultimately given a chance to atone for their misdeeds, which forms the climax of each segment. Each one essentially involves saving another person's life - Vincent saves Mia from a heroin overdose, Butch rescues Marsellus from Zed and Maynard, and Jules saves not just himself (figuratively speaking) but Pumpkin and Honey Bunny during the diner confrontation. Of course, there's also the matter of there being some sense of commitment to that redemption and how each segment differs in specific ways - Vincent may save Mia's life, but it is arguably out of self-interest (if Mia dies, he dies) and he pays for his continued activity in Marsellus's organisation with his life. Contrast that against Butch or Jules, whose segments are driven by their attempts to leave behind a life of crime and are given the opportunity to take the easy way out (Butch could leave Marsellus to die, Jules could shoot the robbers) but the fact that they take the more difficult yet honourable option allows them to survive. The best way in which the film illustrates that is through Jules' Bible quote - at the beginning of the film, he uses it as an intimidating speech he gives before murdering someone without giving much thought to its true meaning. However, at the end of the film he reuses it on Pumpkin but this time he actually thinks about what it means (especially to him) and how its meaning has changed as he prepares to move on from his old ways. It may be a comparatively simple message about how crime doesn't pay, but that's still better than saying that it has "no message" or even that "nothing happened".
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Yeah, Pulp Fiction is way overrated. If you want the better film of that year (for which Quentin Tarantino wrote the story), then watch Natural Born Killers; it is far superior to Pulp Fiction.
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Pulp Fiction was like a bolt of lightning to American cinema when it came out. I remember our absolute shock when we saw it in the theater. Most Americans had never seen anything like it and it is pretty brilliant and almost assuredly Tarantino's best work and one of the most interesting films of the 1990s. I have heard that that doesn't seem to translate to younger people who have seen so many movies that were inspired by it (and believe me it pretty much inspired its own subgenre of film) before they actually saw PF.
I would wonder if you could watch something like Le Samourai and appreciate it for what it is or if it would just feel like a day in the life of a hit-man. |
This "redemption" thing is bull. Pulp fiction is an homage to classic gangster stories, and it was so well-recieved because of the execution. The stories weren't made to resonate with anyone, just to be fun to watch.
I do think it's pretty overrated, but it has an appeal of its own. You gotta know what to expect before you dive into it. |
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Hey, OP's whole point was asking if there was some greater message to it so I decided to answer with an explanation of why I thought that its whole message is centred around redemption and cited parts of the text that back that interpretation up. Honour amongst thieves is a common thread through most movies Tarantino's written and the gangster movies he's paying homage to (the easiest point of comparison is City on Fire and Reservoir Dogs with their plots about undercover cops that bond too well with their targets), so I drew on that to explain the movie's point. If you're going to disagree that that is the underlying point of Pulp Fiction (or even argue that there is no point whatsoever), then you've got to be able to back that up instead of just saying it's "bull" and leaving it at that.
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Originally Posted by Tramuzgan (Post 2140445)
This "redemption" thing is bull. Pulp fiction is an homage to classic gangster stories.
Personally, I don't require any deep subtext for Pulp Fiction to qualify as a great movie. But just because I'm not looking for it when I'm watching, doesn't mean I haven't read reams of great analysis of the film and the ideas Tarantino is playing with. Again, films can be two different things at once. PF can simultaneously be both a deep or shallow end movie, depending on who is watching and what they are getting out of it. |
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I think it's a problem where so much of the analysis surrounding the film settles for surface-level navel-gazing, most obviously how the biggest point of contention is the briefcase and what's inside it. It is telling, though, that the favoured theory is that it's Marsellus's soul - not only is it a more fantastic answer than some mundane crime thing like gold bars or diamonds but it also ties into the aforementioned ideas of good and evil that are presented throughout the film.
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Yeah but you should all know by now that you're not allowed to have a different opinion on the interweb :D
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Did ''bull'' sound like an insult? I didn't mean any offense by it. Just saying, the idea of redemption isn't what inspired these stories. It's a secondary thing at best.
And not that there's anything wrong with a film having no ''deeper meaning'', quality unpretentious entertainment is still worthy of respect. |
I agree with that, however, my point is why it is so famous? There are lots of other mediocre movies with the same theme. Let's ask it in another way: What features of this movie makes it to become one of the best movies in history by critics and IMDb and etc. ? Did they just rate it because the director was a famous guy? or the movie itself has some potential?
Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2140392)
Not all films have some hidden message. Sometimes it’s about the technique used to tell a story, although there is definitely some religious themes in Pulp Fiction if you look hard enough.
For example, the suit cases contents, and its combination to unlock it (666). The driving intervention that saves Travolta and Jackson and his subsequent conversation about it. |
That was a very teaching review. Thanks
Originally Posted by Iroquois (Post 2140393)
On a fundamental thematic level, Pulp Fiction is about redemption. Each of the three main chapters revolves around a criminal - Vincent in "Vincent Vega and Marsellus Wallace's Wife", Butch in "The Gold Watch", Jules in "The Bonnie Situation" - who is ultimately given a chance to atone for their misdeeds, which forms the climax of each segment. Each one essentially involves saving another person's life - Vincent saves Mia from a heroin overdose, Butch rescues Marsellus from Zed and Maynard, and Jules saves not just himself (figuratively speaking) but Pumpkin and Honey Bunny during the diner confrontation. Of course, there's also the matter of there being some sense of commitment to that redemption and how each segment differs in specific ways - Vincent may save Mia's life, but it is arguably out of self-interest (if Mia dies, he dies) and he pays for his continued activity in Marsellus's organisation with his life. Contrast that against Butch or Jules, whose segments are driven by their attempts to leave behind a life of crime and are given the opportunity to take the easy way out (Butch could leave Marsellus to die, Jules could shoot the robbers) but the fact that they take the more difficult yet honourable option allows them to survive. The best way in which the film illustrates that is through Jules' Bible quote - at the beginning of the film, he uses it as an intimidating speech he gives before murdering someone without giving much thought to its true meaning. However, at the end of the film he reuses it on Pumpkin but this time he actually thinks about what it means (especially to him) and how its meaning has changed as he prepares to move on from his old ways. It may be a comparatively simple message about how crime doesn't pay, but that's still better than saying that it has "no message" or even that "nothing happened".
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Originally Posted by hafezmg48 (Post 2140516)
I agree with that, however, my point is why it is so famous? There are lots of other mediocre movies with the same theme. Let's ask it in another way: What features of this movie makes it to become one of the best movies in history by critics and IMDb and etc. ? Did they just rate it because the director was a famous guy? or the movie itself has some potential?
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Yeah I think "Wooley" pretty much gave the answer. The style of the movie at that time might have been the starter of a new genre, and something that people hadn't seen before...
Originally Posted by Wyldesyde19 (Post 2140520)
QT wasn’t really famous at the time. He had directed one other film previously. *
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Originally Posted by hafezmg48 (Post 2140516)
I agree with that, however, my point is why it is so famous? There are lots of other mediocre movies with the same theme. Let's ask it in another way: What features of this movie makes it to become one of the best movies in history by critics and IMDb and etc. ? Did they just rate it because the director was a famous guy? or the movie itself has some potential?
I, for one, think it's an excellent film. Iroquois' post was incredibly insightful, but on top of that, it's a whole lot of fun. |
Originally Posted by Tramuzgan (Post 2140510)
Did ''bull'' sound like an insult? I didn't mean any offense by it. Just saying, the idea of redemption isn't what inspired these stories. It's a secondary thing at best.
And not that there's anything wrong with a film having no ''deeper meaning'', quality unpretentious entertainment is still worthy of respect.
Originally Posted by hafezmg48 (Post 2140516)
I agree with that, however, my point is why it is so famous? There are lots of other mediocre movies with the same theme. Let's ask it in another way: What features of this movie makes it to become one of the best movies in history by critics and IMDb and etc. ? Did they just rate it because the director was a famous guy? or the movie itself has some potential?
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Pulp Fiction is one of the best films of the 90's and is top-tier postmodernism, imo. The dialogue, music, plot structure, and character arcs haven't aged a bit and, while it may not be the most complex film ever made (which I don't see as a flaw, by the way), it's definitely entertaining as all hell and it's not so much the redemption themes in and of themselves which keep me coming back (though, they're still impressive) as much as it's the stylistically impressive ways these themes are delivered, whether it be the aforementioned Bible quote, the pawn shop sequence, the climactic sequence, the framing of the briefcase, or
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Im not really sure what Pulp Fiction is, but I like it.
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Originally Posted by hafezmg48 (Post 2140516)
I agree with that, however, my point is why it is so famous? There are lots of other mediocre movies with the same theme. Let's ask it in another way: What features of this movie makes it to become one of the best movies in history by critics and IMDb and etc. ? Did they just rate it because the director was a famous guy? or the movie itself has some potential?
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