Artsy/Experimental/Surreal
Does anyone else have an interest in these types of movies?
These are some film makers that I hold in high regard: Alain Resnais Jan Svankmajer Alajandro Jodorowsky Shinya Tsukamoto Jean Cocteau Stan Brakhage Ingmar Bergman Luis Bunuel David Lynch Here are some examples of such movies that I've seen: Blood of a Poet – Jean Cocteau – 1930 The Seventh Seal – Ingmar Bergman – 1957 Alice – Jan Svankmajer – 1988 Last Year at Marienbad – Alain Resnais – 1961 Lost Highway – David Lynch – 1997 Mulholland Drive – David Lynch – 2001 Begotten – E. Elias Merhige – 1991 Dog Star Man – Stan Brakhage – 1961-64 Eraserhead – David Lynch – 1977 Love is the Devil – John Maybury – 1998 Tetsuo: The Iron Man – Shinya Tsukamoto – 1988 Un Chien Andalou – Luis Bunuel – 1929 Santa Sangre – Alajandro Jodorowsky – 1989 Possession – Andrzej Zulawski – 1981 Does anyone else know of any movies or any other directors in general that fall into this genre of movie making? I hope I'm not alone in this interest here... |
I always thought I had an open mind when it came to "alternative" movies. I guess I don't. I was reading through your list, and I have to say...I hate David Lynch's movies. Eraserhead was just awful. Absolutely no reason for that movie to have even been made.
Ditto with Lost Highway. The only thing I even remotely enjoyed, was the Twin Peaks series on T.V. I was pretty interested in the premise...Fire Walk With Me, totally sucked, though. I don't know. I guess I just have a line I don't like to cross. Lynch's movies cross it; everytime. |
I'm always one for change, so I will try out a different kinda movie every now and then. Mulholland Drive was one of those, and I enjoyed it, very confusing, but I didn't want to be able to understnad all the twists and jagged edge's
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but see if this makes sense...my mom told me to
WARNING: "Mulholland Drive" spoilers below
Think of it like everything before the box is a fantasy, and everything after the box, is reality. She said I would know right away what she means by the box.
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Yeah...actually it does
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Oh goodie. I'll have an edge when I finally see it then.
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Originally posted by sadesdrk
I always thought I had an open mind when it came to "alternative" movies. I guess I don't. I was reading through your list, and I have to say...I hate David Lynch's movies. Eraserhead was just awful. Absolutely no reason for that movie to have even been made. Ditto with Lost Highway. The only thing I even remotely enjoyed, was the Twin Peaks series on T.V. I was pretty interested in the premise...Fire Walk With Me, totally sucked, though. I don't know. I guess I just have a line I don't like to cross. Lynch's movies cross it; everytime. Try checking out the Elephant Man... |
I have seen the Elephant Man, the one with Anthony Hopkins? (is that the only one?:) )
Eraserhead was disturbing, disgusting, and I wish I had never seen it. I don't understand why anyone would hold it in such high reguard. |
Originally posted by sadesdrk
I always thought I had an open mind when it came to "alternative" movies. I guess I don't. I'd agree with that assessment. To easily dismiss what you don't understand is to be closed-minded.
Originally posted by sadesdrk
Absolutely no reason for that movie to have even been made. Ditto with Lost Highway. So says you. I salute Lynch for not succumbing to the "norm", creating his own style, and bringing us his highly artistic, creative, and subjective films. The cinematography is Lynch's films is always top-notch. Lynch is a master of playing with our emotions without us even knowing why or how. Many Lynch movies are too easily dismissed by those who search for objective answers in a subjective question.
Originally posted by sadesdrk
I guess I just have a line I don't like to cross. Lynch's movies cross it; everytime. Everytime? What about The Elephant Man? Or what about The Straight Story; it's about as tame and down-to-earth as a movie can possibly be. P.S. I hope this doesn't cause a distraction from the original point of this thread. |
Originally posted by Mystery Man
I'd agree with that assessment. To easily dismiss what you don't understand is to be closed-minded. P.S. I hope this doesn't cause a distraction from the original point of this thread. and P.S. this has everything to do with the point of your thread. How insulting. You asked and I answered. Hmph. |
But what did you think of The Elephant Man Sades?
I think that movie shows off how brilliant Lynch can be without any of his surreal themes. He is a wonderful filmmaker - always worth a watch, never boring. |
Originally posted by sadesdrk
Eraserhead was disturbing, disgusting, and I wish I had never seen it. I don't understand why anyone would hold it in such high reguard. If we are disturbed by a work of art then we should automatically turn our heads, disregard it, and label it as "bad"? Seems like an easy way out to me. |
She didn't say you should do anything. She said she didn't understand how you could. Big difference. No one's forcing anything on anyone else. :)
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Originally posted by Mystery Man
You are welcome to your opinion, but if you can question my opinion, I think I am entitled to question yours. If we are disturbed by a work of art then we should automatically turn our heads, disregard it, and label it as "bad"? Seems like an easy way out to me. What I don't get, is why something so ugly has to be honored. Am I a big fat idiot because I turn my head away from something that bothers me? No. And are you a big fat idiot for getting something from it? Nope. I just wish you had some other reason for liking it, other than,"I was disturbed. Disturbed doesn't=bad" |
Originally posted by bigvalbowski
But what did you think of The Elephant Man Sades? I think that movie shows off how brilliant Lynch can be without any of his surreal themes. He is a wonderful filmmaker - always worth a watch, never boring. But yes, I enjoyed it. The acting was top notch. I'll agree that Lynch is never boring...I don't know how great that makes him. Watching a car accident isn't boring either. |
Originally posted by sadesdrk
Oh jeeze, I am so sick and tired of ugly=brilliant. I honestly am. I never said I didn't understand the movie, don't insult my intelligence, what's not to understand? What I don't get, is why something so ugly has to be honored. Am I a big fat idiot because I turn my head away from something that bothers me? No. And are you a big fat idiot for getting something from it? Nope. I just wish you had some other reason for liking it, other than,"I was disturbed. Disturbed doesn't=bad" No one is compelled and moved by a slasher flick...or a porno. But take sex and violence, put them under the guise of war or love or emotion of some sort, and voila, you've got a few people who'll automatically label it as brilliant filmmaking...likely hailing it as something that "doesn't shy away from this" or "tackles the controversial issue of that." "The difference between pornography and erotica is lighting." - Gloria Leonard |
That's right. That's how I feel.
And by the way, MysteryMan...this discussion is totally on topic, you wondered if people like this genre of movie making, I'm telling you, I don't. Not usually. I have watched some controversial movies before, and enjoyed them. For my own benefit, I have to draw the line somewhere. There are just boundries that I don't let any medium make an "artistic representaion" out of. Such as children. I will NOT see any movie about child victimization, and Eraserhead bordered on just that issue. IMO. |
Originally posted by sadesdrk
I'm offended. I never said I didn't understand. I saw the damn movie, processed it with my own mind, and dismissed it because it didn't do a thing for me. It was a story, in my opinion (that counts right?), that didn't need to be told.
Originally posted by sadesdrk
and P.S. this has everything to do with the point of your thread. How insulting. You asked and I answered. Hmph.
Originally posted by sadesdrk
Oh jeeze, I am so sick and tired of ugly=brilliant. I honestly am. I never said I didn't understand the movie, don't insult my intelligence, what's not to understand? What I don't get, is why something so ugly has to be honored. Am I a big fat idiot because I turn my head away from something that bothers me? No. And are you a big fat idiot for getting something from it? Nope.
Originally posted by sadesdrk
I just wish you had some other reason for liking it, other than,"I was disturbed. Disturbed doesn't=bad" On the contrary, I believe that you were the one that proclaimed that as your reasoning for not liking the movie. I believe that these were your reasons: -"Eraserhead was disturbing, disgusting, and I wish I had never seen it." -"Eraserhead was just awful. Absolutely no reason for that movie to have even been made." -"It was a story, in my opinion (that counts right?), that didn't need to be told." I did however state reasons that I liked the movie as well as other similiar Lynch movies: "I salute Lynch for not succumbing to the "norm", creating his own style, and bringing us his highly artistic, creative, and subjective films. The cinematography is Lynch's films is always top-notch. Lynch is a master of playing with our emotions without us even knowing why or how. Many Lynch movies are too easily dismissed by those who search for objective answers in a subjective question."
Originally posted by sadesdrk
I liked The Elephant Man. It was based on a true story, what's not to like? If I didn't like it, than I would be ignoring the brutal fact of that man's life. |
Originally posted by TWTCommish
Yes, EXACTLY. I almost want to laugh when someone refers to some bizarre film as "misunderstood." As if the public at large is at fault for not interpreting it the way they did, or the way the director may have meant for them to. |
I don't even know where to start. Almost everything you said, frustrated me in some way.
Agh. |
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