All of these great directors like Ingmar Bergman always seem to never miss and usually come out with well received output. Then bad directors like Uwe Boll come out with abominations. I have been pondering for a while as to what bad movies had a good director? Here are some of them I noticed but never saw:*
North directed by Rob Reiner - Everyone hated hated hated every audience insulting moment of this one. Also funny that George and Elaine from Seinfeld are North’s parents. Son of Pink Panther by Blake Edwards - He had several bad movies and this one shows him end with a whimper. Serpents Egg by Ingmar Bergman - Luckily he went out with a bang with Fanny and Alexander. Folies Bourgeois by Claude Chabrol - The name fit as this one was a folly. I seen clips of this one but I found it amusing that a 42 year old lady(Stephane Audran) would show off her legs from a Volkswagen. That is something a 20-30 year old usually does. Now one for my opinion. Don’t hate me but... Dr Strange into The Multiverse of Madness by Sam Raimi - This movie for me was pretentious nonsense like I said in another thread and then there was a weak story that I heard a million time already. Everyone I saw it with had headaches when (this?) was over. This movie only seems to have good marks because it is of the MCU. If it was of the DCEU, it would be trashed. I like the Spider Man trilogy much better than (this?). I did not hate it, but I did not care for Reservoir Dogs by you know who very much. I found it to be kind of boring. For me it looked kind of plain and was more of a template for what future Tarantino works would look like. The only one I did not really like by him. |
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Bergman is one of my favorites. He's made many great movies, but I thought his last handful of movies were his weakest by far.
Vittorio De Sica is my favorite but I didn't like "Indiscretion of an American Housewife" and I couldn't get past either of his "comedy" movies with Peter Sellers.. One day, like Visconti's last movie - couldn't get past the very beginning. John Cassavetes - Killing of a Chinese Bookie |
Originally Posted by SuperMetro (Post 2345962)
I did not hate it, but I did not care for Reservoir Dogs by you know who very much. I found it to be kind of boring. For me it looked kind of plain and was more of a template for what future Tarantino works would look like. The only one I did not really like by him.
And now I hear so many people saying they don't think it's one of QT's better or even good movies, when silly crap like Django gets some kind of a pass and overlong masturbation sessions like OUaTiH get heaped with praise. Color me confused. |
Also, is Ridley Scott considered "great" enough to be held accountable for half his filmography?
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I suppose 1941 is an obligatory entry for Spielberg, but I found it amusing as a kid and I still have a soft spot for it.
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Two of the few missteps in the career of the legendary Sidney Lumet:
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Originally Posted by SuperMetro (Post 2345962)
North directed by Rob Reiner - Everyone hated hated hated every audience insulting moment of this one. Also funny that George and Elaine from Seinfeld are North’s parents.
Son of Pink Panther by Blake Edwards - He had several bad movies and this one shows him end with a whimper.
Originally Posted by SuperMetro (Post 2345962)
I did not hate it, but I did not care for Reservoir Dogs by you know who very much. I found it to be kind of boring. For me it looked kind of plain and was more of a template for what future Tarantino works would look like. The only one I did not really like by him.
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Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2345989)
I suppose 1941 is an obligatory entry for Spielberg, but I found it amusing as a kid and I still have a soft spot for it.
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Originally Posted by Gideon58 (Post 2345994)
Two of the few missteps in the career of the legendary Sidney Lumet:
https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/p4860_p_v12_af.jpg https://scopophiliamovieblog.files.w...ning-after.png |
Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2345985)
Also, is Ridley Scott considered "great" enough to be held accountable for half his filmography?
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Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2345984)
I see this one a lot and it makes me scratch my head. When it hit back in the 90s, people thought it was quietly one of the best American films in years and many people thought, after Pulp Fiction came out, that there was real debate that Reservoir Dogs was actually better.
And now I hear so many people saying they don't think it's one of QT's better or even good movies, when silly crap like Django gets some kind of a pass and overlong masturbation sessions like OUaTiH get heaped with praise. Color me confused. Because Reservoir Dogs is the bare bones skeleton that he eventually found interesting ways to completely reinvent genre film making from. Reservoir Dogs is a very good movie. But it is nothing compared to Django or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Like, it doesn't even register. And there is absolutely nothing masturbatory about Hollywood. You cut all the scenes I assume the critics of it consider excessive or unnecessary, it loses everything that makes it potent and loveable and interesting. |
Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2345998)
I like The Wiz.
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Since this is entirely subjective, these are my least favorites from several well-known directors...
PTA - Magnolia (haven't seen it in 20 years, though) Bergman - The Seventh Seal (have only seen 6 films) Cameron - Piranha II Coen - Intolerable Cruelty Fincher - Mank Hitchcock - Champagne Kubrick - Fear and Desire Lynch - Wild at Heart Mann - The Last of the Mohicans (haven't seen it in 20 years either) Nolan - Interstellar Scorsese - Gangs of New York Spielberg - The Post Tarantino - The Hateful Eight Villeneuve - Arrival Bold are ones I've seen all films from them. |
Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2345984)
I see this one a lot and it makes me scratch my head. When it hit back in the 90s, people thought it was quietly one of the best American films in years and many people thought, after Pulp Fiction came out, that there was real debate that Reservoir Dogs was actually better.
Originally Posted by Wooley (Post 2345984)
And now I hear so many people saying they don't think it's one of QT's better or even good movies, when silly crap like Django gets some kind of a pass and overlong masturbation sessions like OUaTiH get heaped with praise.
Color me confused. I think the performance of Jackie Brown may have stung him, but ANY film that followed Pulp Fiction was going to suffer in comparison. After Jackie Brown, QT arguably retreated into more explicit/pronounced genre pastiche of exploitation cinema (multiple genres at once) to amp up the whimsy and fun factor, but it costs. And all we really get are bloody revenge fantasies in long-format cinema. Take that Buck! Take that Bill! Take that Adolf! Take that Candie! I think that it is a sort of masturbation, Our bloody revenge on the frustrations of our own lives and against history itself. Once a Time in Hollywood is more of a return to his old form, but even here he cannot resist sticking it, counterfactually, to the Manson Family. I think it would be good for QT to find the big in the small again. Narrow the scope of the fantasy B.S. and go for character development and dialogue that delivers that goods through conversations rather than bullets and blades. And maybe don't write the first treatment of the script. Buy a good story from a writer and, if need be, touch it up or change up the structure. |
Originally Posted by crumbsroom (Post 2346001)
Because Reservoir Dogs is the bare bones skeleton that he eventually found interesting ways to completely reinvent genre film making from.
Reservoir Dogs is a very good movie. But it is nothing compared to Django or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Like, it doesn't even register. And there is absolutely nothing masturbatory about Hollywood. You cut all the scenes I assume the critics of it consider excessive or unnecessary, it loses everything that makes it potent and loveable and interesting. Reservoir Dogs is the work of a talented amateur that asked "what if I combined City on Fire and the Killing?" |
Originally Posted by ThatDarnMKS (Post 2346042)
Hollywood is QT's best film.
Is it? In a world where Pulp Fiction exists? If the library of cinematic Alexandria was burning and we could only save Pulp Fiction or Hollywood, which would we choose? Pulp Fiction is pretty much a perfect film, so I am going with that one. I mean, I liked Hollywood OK. This seemed to be a step in the right direction. But his best? No. QT at his most nostalgic, a love letter to old Hollywood and old Southern California? Sure. |
Originally Posted by Corax (Post 2346044)
Is it?
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I have my personal preference towards Kill Bill, and I think Pulp Fiction is what Tarantino looks like when he approaches standard ideas of perfection. But I think it's more than fair to consider Hollywood as being his best. It's his most interesting film since Pulp Fiction, but also has a much deeper emotional core even as it is weirder and more demanding than anything else he's ever done. Its probably as close to abstraction he's ever going to get, which allows for its hangout vibe to linger long after it ends. It is one of his rare films which I feel doesn't treat pure entertainment as it's primary goal. It really has something to say about what it means to be human, which is a rarity in his filmography.
It's an astonishing film that only becomes more and more resonant on further viewings. I think it is flawed, but only in the way that it needs those wonky moments to really work. I wouldn't change a thing about it |
Originally Posted by matt72582 (Post 2345973)
John Cassavetes - Killing of a Chinese Bookie
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This will obviously vary for everybody, but as of now, Hollywood is my #3 Tarantino, behind Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill. I think it's excellent.
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